"Tell me what I'm missing: I don't think it's the position of determinists that the person they are debating is incapable of changing their mind. All they say is that your unenlightened perspective is simply the result of each thing that came before the conversation. Maybe it's that your lack of exposure to the right arguments resulted from not caring enough about the topic which resulted from a preference for video games resulting from a difficult childhood resulting from being born to the wrong people in the wrong place and time resulting from everything that produced people, places, and times. They say it's the same for their preference for you to believe as they do. Whether or not you will change your mind after debating them has been determined as well, but I don't see how any of that is inconsistent with their desire for the change. They are happy to be the atoms that will have inevitably done that for you or inevitably not. I imagine it as something like scratching an itch. I don't particularly care what led to whatever dust particle landing on me in an irritating way; I'm going to scratch at it. (Or maybe I won't if it's been determined I'll harbor a kind of contrarian but ultimately meaningless attitude about my predestiny!) Yes, we make what have evolved to feel like choices, but that too was all just determined somewhere in the unspeakably complex movements of matter and energy over time."
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