Evil all around me. His name is Jared Christian White. Look him up. Google. Uses his daughters fb page. Department of highways has already paid him as a liar manipulator and untrustworthy in 2016
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=112292887777558&id=100069905403257

01:10 PM
America was to be a Melting Pot, not a weird salad.

What do you think about the downvoting debate?

06:27 PM - Ecency

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I would be in favor of allowing both upvotes and tips for posts and the distinction would be that tips would be money that is not coming from the shared rewards pool. I've said in the past that I would be in favor of having multiple streams of reward pools which could potentially bridge different platforms, blockchains, ecosystems, websites, apps, wallets, cryptocurrency exchange markets like Bittrex, and whatever else there may be potentially speaking.

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Of course, I'm not saying multiple reward pools would work but my argument is that a singular rewards pool might be a bit too centralized and anti-competitive and too manipulative in a free market; and I would love it if different cryptocurrencies could be used as opposed to it being limited to just Hive, Hive Power (HP), Hive Backed Dollars (HBD); and Steem merged with Tron meaning an added crypto (but I am still against Dlive Overlord Justin Sun). So, long story short, not saying any of these ideas would work but I would encourage people to explore the possibility of making things more decentralized, competitive, open-source, flexible, to increase options, possibilities, potential, independence, etc.

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I'm partly resistant or against a shared rewards pool in that we all fight over it on the Hive blockchain. I prefer how miners are able to earn on the Bitcoin blockchain and I know I might be comparing apples with oranges to the extent that Hive is not Bitcoin meaning the details are different as Hive and Steemit has Witnesses as opposed to Bitcoin Miners. I am aware of the debates between proof of brains (PoB) and proof of works (PoW) and proof of concept (PoC) and proof of value (PoV) and whatever else is out there, those are the four proofs I can think of from the top of my head or I just DuckDuckGoed it, so I cheated, but I am not going to say I absolutely can state which of these 4 is the best or if it depends or not. But I am going to say that is why I prefer having the option to tip and not just to upvote. Well, I think somebody said PeakD has an option to tip a post. So, if that's the case, then that is good.

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Specifically in regards to the downvoting debate, I've been flagged many times on Steemit and Hive going back to 2017 and I've written a lot about these things in the past.

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We should have not just a downvote button but also a dislike button as well. I would even consider an attempt at adding a third button to that as well, a flagging button that would go beyond just downvoting.

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Some have said a downvote can bring down the potential rewards of a post which is good if a post is making more than it deserves. So, the argument states downvotes helps give the post redistributional balance or goes that illogical Obama theory.

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The purpose of the flagging button would not be to state that a post is making too much money (since that is the purpose of a downvote) but instead a flagging button could be there to state that the post should not be made in the first place, that it should not be there. In other words, a flag could equate to when a community owner mutes a post in a group, a tribe, a community. Well, I am not absolutely endorsing downvotes or flags and yet I do understand the value they can have in theory or perhaps in reality as well.

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Perhaps, if an account is really bad for example, if the account publishes posts which are full of plagiarism, spam, repetition, and/or whatever people choose not to tolerate, etc, then not only could the posts be flagged but how about we add side panel with information or posts or text or links stating that the posts and the users are stealing the intellectual property, the articles, the videos, the art, etc, etc, whatever it may be. Well, I can't say how all of that would work specifically but again all of this would be advance features which users and developers could debate over implementing or not implementing and everything else.

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I like what Logic Zombie @logiczombie is saying regarding having Flag-Trial Jurors, we could call it a Flag-Trial. I agree, only one flag per post or possibly per account or per year or per topic or per situation and more than one flag per post would be too many because, you know, as they say that would be double jeopardy in a court of law to try the same case again and again. So, instead of having dislikes, downvotes, and flags, we could have Flag Trials instead or Flag Trials and dislikes and mute options.

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Perhaps some posts and some users could be voted off the rewards pool if they are flagged too much and then they would have to be voted back onto the island later on if they are found to be deserving back onto the main rewards pool. Perhaps they could still exist on other reward pools or other tokens but those tribes should be given the right to vote them off their too.

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Some people can argue that is censorship and I would counter with how the posts would not be removed or stolen but that future rewards would be limited or unavailable to an account who is currently in Flag-Prison which comes following Flag-Trial. And I don't know if we want to tinker with Resource Credits (RC or mana) in order to limit how much or how often a Flag-Prisoner can post and comment. And I don't want to turn Hive into Facebook which as we may all know has Facebook Prison.

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So, in conclusion, I've been in these debates for years regarding flags and everything like I said and the final thing I want to say for now is I hope we can help people who are new to Hive in context to all of this drama and also I hope flags cannot be abused to target people unfairly and I would say I was flagged unfairly many times on Steemit and Hive over the years. Which leads me to say perhaps flaggers should be put in Flag-Trial as well if they are found to be abusing the Flag button. That might be a way to keep the flaggers honest. Perhaps find a way to allow enough users and witnesses to put accounts on trial if they are found abusing the downvote/flag button because knowing you could be put in a special Flagger Trial could give you just enough fear to keep you honest kind of thing.

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I agree with Logic Zombie and I love that Xena photo which is making me want to go back and watch that show since I've not seen it in years.

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06:55 PM
I've been cautious to upvote at times fearing the post may get downvoted to zero in the end and that is always in the back of my head meaning I kind of want to avoid upvoting any post which might get flagged and that includes posts which should not be flagged and I only upvote posts which I think should not be downvoted but some are downvoted and that is the crazy thing that I have to add to all of this mayhem.

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06:59 PM
Perhaps we could add a Flag-The-Flag button to go after Flag Abusers or put the Flag Abusers in Flagger Trial to piggyback Logic Zombies' Post-Flag Trial Idea and extent to the Flaggers as well as opposed to just to the Flagged.

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07:05 PM
Here's an idea, when a post gets flagged, then it can be sent to a Flag Feed, a Flag Tag, a Flag Community, or whatever we want to call the place, then people can view it and vote yes or no to agree or disagree with the flag. So, if a post is flagged, then freeze potential rewards for that post for a month while it is pending in trial, people can vote and if the people vote not to have the post flagged, then have a way to punish the flagger. But if people agree that the post should be flagged, then find an appropriate punishment for the publisher of the flagged post.

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We have Witnesses and perhaps we need to add a new job called Flag Jurors who are given some kind of incentive to vote yes or no for flagged posts and accounts can be punished if found guilty and flaggers can be punished as well if they are found guilty of flagging posts which should not be flagged; and then someday we may have to put the Flag Jurors in trial as well if they were found to be abusing the flaggers who might be abusing the downvote/flag button.

07:19 PM
LZ, yes. Love it. And I want to add that downvoting is dangerous if there are not enough checks and balances. I've written to add to your ideas here that there should be Flag Jurors to vote yes or no on what is flagged. And I write a lot. And let me also say perhaps a Flag should not have influence over the post itself but instead on Resource Credits or a secondary Reputation Points system (REP) that can give people another way of determining REP but from a different system. There needs to be many different checks and balances similar to the three or four branches of government in the United States of America or what was the USA if globalists continue to destroy the world and everything.

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07:26 PM
Part of the problem is that a shared rewards pool is kind of like communism and not to say it is but I am trying to say it is a tricky thing with people fighting over perceived "LIMITED" resources in the rewards pools which leads people down the path of upvoting and downvoting in an attempt to Robin-Hood everything to redistribute value and money and wealth and everything like Obama would have us do and that is like I said the tricky thing about all of this. The argument for the need for downvoting is understandable, like I understand their side, and I also am against it at the same time. So, my compromise approach is to add trials and jurors and voters to piggybag your ideas.

By the way, I would totally watch a reboot or revival of Xena over even Picard at this point.

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07:36 PM
Only let verified accounts vote, perhaps that can counter the Multiple Accounts Argument. But of course the counter to that would be who verifies the accounts and what are the requirements for having an account verified. Well, my response would be to have a combination of requirements be it to have enough witnesses confirm an account is of a real person via links, phone numbers, etc, and say a certain number of Hive Power and a certain number of posts and a certain number of Reputation points. Also, make sure the account is at least 6 months old or come up with another magic number. And perhaps a certain number of required followers because that means the account must be representative of a real person. But then again, I am not sure how I feel about all of this as I have several accounts on Hive. but I guess you may only want one vote per person kind of thing or goes the argument.

What are your thoughts on Uptrennd or Flote.app?
I post to Blurt but that is about it. I find it interesting but I still prefer Hive.

What do you think about copyright?

07:57 PM - Ecency

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Some things are covered under Fair Use and other things too. Also, does Copyright apply to the Internet is my question. My rebuttal is that it depends on many different things as enforcing Copyright on the Internet is a Pandora Box in that there is an invisible line between what is perceived as infringing copyright and the technical violation of copyright through the very nature of how computers automatically copy data to a sea of computers, different servers, the data is like water and it floods into the RAM, the cache, the CPU, the GPU, information and data is literally and technically being copied and pasted in zeroes and ones as in binary code like water in the ocean as it flows through the Internet, as text, audio, video, files, photos, move around the Internet, it is technically being copied without the approval of the owners of the copyright, the patent, the trademark, etc, whatever the case might be, the data is literally being copied trillions of times or countless times through so many different hard drives and is being mirrored and copied without permission by agencies such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, MI6, other organizations, governments, groups, Facebook, Google, God knows who else, meaning it is crazy hypocrisy to punish some people for alleged copyright infringement while simultaneously ignore agencies who are copying the data and storing the data and selling the data and some of that may be violating the 4th amendment and other things. I can talk all day about copyright and I see it as a crazy thing by the very nature of how the Internet works in that data works differently than a tangible and physical painting for example. And would it be copyright to take a photo of a painting? My argument would be no. See, with tangible items, you want to buy the painting. And a photo of a painting is not the painting. So, if I sell the photo, people should not buy it but they can if they want. But the photo is not the painting. But if I sold my photo and said it was a painting, then that might be considered to be a lie, a scam. Then bring forth the copyright violation as I was pretending to sell something which was not what it really was. Well, I guess it all depends. I could say more but I will stop for now.

I am anti-Vax, @hivewatcher, call me up and give me a Covid Vaccine which will probably kill me within a few years or less.
Did Hive Watchers really say they go after people who prefer natural remedies over vaccines?

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