totally wrong. those you refer to are what we call the "barbarians" aka proud warring men, who feat all the codes and duties of honor, brotherhood, and we consider as equal. they ain't just very civilized and on the other side of the front line / order flow, aka they know only what we care about : war. in a primitive way, but when we see them we see men. there no... that's why it was razed in 77. we see worst than the greek wickedness in the people narrative (culture) and total incompetence in building deriving from the culture and war by deception, manipulation and narrative is so girly that it isn't worth mentioning.

the real goal is just to unlock egypt - safe trade roads and the mega desillusional project of those persians...

maybe it will help you to get that some russians call moskow the 3rd rome :).

a real example of considered as civilization is china, to learn... interesting... curiosity, discovery... not some pathetic new trades feeding the taxation network...