12:12 PM
I agree with what you are saying about Keanu Reeves. Some of the Vietnamese food is similar to Eastasialand. I know some Vietnamese.

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12:37 PM
Are you saying you're not aware of the Pagan winter holidays which predates the birth of Christ? Did you know Christ was probably born in September and not in December?

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You wrote, "After, looking into it this year, I'm of the opinion that there is no pagan influence on Christmas." I would say it depends on what part of Christmas you are talking about. For example, did you know Santa is an anagram for Satan? That is only one example. I can talk all day about many different things.

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According to The History Channel, Christmas trees goes back to ancient Egypt and other countries did it too. Some people would believe the sun was a god. They would keep the evergreen in their homes as a reminder that spring was coming after a long cold winter.

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Christmas has many parts. And so to determine how pagan Christmas might be, you have to look at each separate part. For example, the candy cane is not pagan at all. The candy cane is a shepherd's cane, the red is the blood of Christ which died for the sins of mankind. White is salvation, being washed, becoming as white as snow.

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Christians made Christmas. So, it can be argued that Christmas is not pagan because of that. So, it depends. For example, some people might say Halloween is Pagan. But Christians like to have harvest parties and things like that on that day. So, in a way, Christian made a new holiday on the last day of October. I have been to these parties and they are fun. Some people might say these parties are not Pagan. It is possible to take a Pagan holiday and to rebrand it. And then we could talk about whether or not Easter is Pagan or not.

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So, like Halloween, Christmas was rebranded. So, you could say the rebranded version is not pagan and that might be true. But according to The History Channel, the winter solstice has been celebrated since 10,200 BC. Winter Solstice happens between December 20 and December 23 generally speaking, that ball park. So, is Winter Solstice pagan or what is it? Better yet, is Christmas connected to that might be the better question.

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02:21 PM
Should I unblock Chuck Case?

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Noi Unaelab changed his role from mod to member. Ryan Jorud removed Chuck from the group. Before that, probably around November of 2021, I changed Chuck's role from admin to mod.

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I thought he was removing posts which shouldn't have. But not to say admins and mods cannot remove posts. But I just thought those posts shouldn't have been removed. On December 24th, Ryan removed 4 of Chuck's posts. I was not able to see what those posts were because they were already deleted.

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Was it right to have his posts removed? I would say I don't know. Was it right to have Chuck removed from the group? I would say maybe not. I guess it depends. If it was really bad, then maybe he should stay banned.

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If people can tell me that Chuck Case was not on Santa Claus' naughty list, then I may unban Chuck. Even other admins could add him back.

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Right now, I'm not going to bring Chuck back. I will only consider it if people want to defend him.

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Different admins and mods in this group may have different opinions and views on what should and should not be banned in this group.

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I'll agree that maybe Chuck not be an admin. Should he not be a mod? I say it depends. But also, should he be allowed to be a member of this group? I say maybe. I thought he wasn't that bad. But I could be wrong about this guy.

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Is Christmas Pagan?

05:20 PM - Ecency

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Long ago, Egypt had different weather. So, you need to look at how things were different in the past. Warmer weather creates more rain clouds which then leads to a greener place, more trees. And by the way, even tropical places have winters. I was living in Vietnam for four years and they have winters. Now, their winter may not have snow and ice but it's winter. I would look at the ancient empires and look at the different things they did.

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According to a history book written by H.G Wells in around 1920, he wrote that Christ was probably born around 4 B.C. In regards to which month Jesus was born. You could estimate based on whenever tax season was. So, you would have to correlate between the current calendar system and the calendars they used back then. So, you could estimate how long it might take to walk and travel to Bethlehem and later to Egypt. You can take the which ever numbers may be included in the Bible and in other books. I would look for history books which may document when the decree to kill all kids under the age of two because that order probably came within a few months after the birth of Christ. Some people believed Christ was born. They said a star appeared in the sky.

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The star may have been the alignment of planets. So, another way to estimate the birth of Christ would be to study astrology or astronomy. Study the constellations and look at the patterns the planets are in and backdate the pattern of the alignment of planets back into time to estimate which month back then may have planetary alignments.

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What do you mean by Da Vinci? Are you talking about certain things he wrote or are you talking about Dan Brown book called The Da Vinci Code? Who is Zeitguiest?

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The modern version of Santa started mostly in the 1800s as an English word. But beyond that, Santa sort of looks like a big elf. So, the next question would be what is an elf. So, I'm saying there is more to it than just that. When I say Santa, I'm not talking about Saint Nick. I know the connection between Nick and Santa but Santa looks like a giant elf. And elves are part of a lore that has been around for thousands of years. Elves are just one of the many things out there on top of dwarfs and other things. I don't know if they're real or what. Some of these creatures may be imaginary, real, fake, alien, demonic, etc. Perhaps some demons portray themselves as elves. And that takes me back to the anagram of Satan and Santa. And so, what I am saying goes deeper than just the mere words I am saying. With almost everything I say, there is always more to it than just that.

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By the way, English has been evolving for over a thousand years out of Germanic roots. And English is more modern than Hebrew. And English is a collection and a merging of different languages over the centuries or longer. English has so many borrowed words as it evolved from Old English to Middle English and then later on to a more modern version of English which started in like the 1700s or after, the last three centuries or less in some ways.

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Since you mentioned Rome and Sol Invictus, I have to ask you what else you know about the Catholic church which came out of the Roman Empire. Catholicism is very Pagan. That is a giant can of worms which can fill many books full of many things.

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You asked me if it's possible for Gentiles to appropriate Christian holidays to make them their own, and they do, but more importantly you will find similarities between different ancient world religions going back thousands of years. There is correlation between the Egyptian gods and the Greek gods for example. When you study ancient cults and religions, you will find different names and slight changes between what they might call different things or deities. Traditions, culture, customs, doctrines, beliefs, ideas, etc, are often built or at least influenced by ancient religions and what have you. They may have different words for what they call Noah's Ark and the world flood, and yet that story has been told for thousands of years from many cultures globally. It's very interesting to study the Tower of Babel and the different alleged gods they associate with that time period for example.

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In regards to Easter, you should look at what the bunny represents. Before the birth of Christ, Babylon had Ishtar.

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Halloween is very old.

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Are Christmas trees in the Bible?

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Are Disney movies pagan?

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Does Santa look like an elf?

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What is an elf?

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Why do people think about Santa instead of Jesus on Christmas?

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10:14 PM
Have you not look at the etymology of Saturnalia? Better yet, have you not look at the origin to what Saturn means?

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Is Christmas Pagan?

10:45 PM - Ecency

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After reading all four parts of your series here on Christmas, I can tell you that some people don't celebrate the birth of Christ on Christmas. So, what does that mean? In other words, what is Christmas? What is Pagan? These words can take a while to define.

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A better question might be how many people emphasize on celebrating the birth of Christ at home on Christmas with their families. A follow-up question might be how many people excessively and aggressively instead overemphasize on Santa, songs about reindeer, gift exchange, etc.

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Paganism is very hard to define.

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Christmas is very hard to define.

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I can talk for days unpacking why I'm making simple statements about things which most people would say are not hard to define.

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Long story short and in conclusion, a better question might be which alleged Christmas-related things are too counterproductive to the celebration of the birth of Christ?

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Because, long story short and regardless of where different people fall on this debate of "Is Christmas a pagan celebration?" we can or should be able to all agree that Christmas has been conflated and associated with Paganism, etc.

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And regardless of whether or not it's correct or incorrect to directly or indirectly correlate and connect Christmas with paganism, Norse god Odin, other things, etc, it is important to see that Satan has the ability to infiltrate and destroy good things from the inside-out.

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The Roman Catholic church is an example of that. I'm a Christian but I don't believe in praying to Mary like Catholics are taught to do.

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If Christmas is the celebration of Christ, then that is not pagan.

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Was Saint Nicholas an evil man? No, I think it was good that he was handing out presents to people. He helped people. So, I wouldn't call Nick a Pagan.

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So, I say all of that to say the birth of Christ is not pagan but the improper conflation and association and connection people have made unfairly with Christmas and paganism is pagan or is potentially dangerous within the realm of infiltration and degradation of culture over a series of centuries. Holidays, symbols, traditions, customs, etc, can be co-opt. One example of this is seen with how Billy Graham Crusades were used to convert people not to Christian churches but to Catholicism.

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Bears versus Humans?

10:55 PM - Ecency

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I would be fine with the fines if they own the animals. If they don't own them, then they cannot make up fines outside of agreed upon rules that everyone there voted on. And it also depends on who owns the land. So, if you own land and deer is on it, are you telling me your private property rights are null and void as in violated and destroyed? Ownership laws go back thousands of years.

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So, it is crazy when private property rights are discarded. For example, if a bear is going to eat your baby, you will have to let it because I guess the life of the bear is more important than the life of humans. The protection of wildlife then therefore become the unprotection and attack on mankind.

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