~>An Honest Conversation w/ Pro & Anti-Trump Supporters on Impeachment Day<~ đ video
Today I reported from a rally held outside of the Trump Tower on the âday of impeachmentâ..
There was a lot of comments online about how this was going to be a crazy day with Antifa taking over the streets. There on the ground it was quite the contrary- only a few Trump supporters & around 40 anti-Trump activists.
It was interesting to open up a discourse with these different individuals. I questioned both side's logic and discussed their mutual hypocrisy. I wanted to see if their desire to impeach Trump was for legit reasons, or because of MSM manipulation.
On the anti-Trump side, I saw signs saying things like âAbuse of Powerâ, some people chanting, âHey Hey Ho Ho, Donald Trump Has Got to Goâ, pink hats, a "Make America Literate Again" poster..
..and a guy with Trump puppet coming out of his pants!
Vladimir Putin was also apparently in attendance with the anti-Trump activists
( or at least his masked look-alike )
I spoke with a man who identified himself as Red Pill Ken from Twitter.
I asked âWhy are you out here supporting Trump?â
Ken responded, âBecause an attack on Trump is an attack on Americana, itâs all about red, white and blue regardless of what background your from, if your from Americana, there is nothing wrong with being American first, the other side lost this debate in November when we elected Donald Trump, they seem to be on a pattern of trying to disrupt this man who we put in office and I am out here to give Mr. Trump my support. Also to let people know that most mainstream media is fake, itâs like CNN thatâs why I have this t-shirt here, you know what Kathy Gifford did they are fake news, you have to go to different websites like Infowars, Drudge Report and Breitbart to get your news on an alternative point of view.â
Me: âAre there any policies of Mr. Trump that you are disappointed in?â
Ken, âIâm disappointed that he has not repealed the âunaffordable care actâ and also upset about the strike on Syria that wasnât Mr. Assadâs fault. I wasnât in support of that at all.â
Me: âWhat do you think of Trump aligning himself with the Kurdish rebels near Syria?â
Ken, âThis is a mistake that Mr. Trump makes, he likes to give people the responsibility to take over their jobs. McMaster has a different viewpoint than Trump, the president has to get rid of McMaster because he is a globalist that wants to put boots on the ground, that is his mindset. Itâs these people that are responsible, although itâs Trump who will be responsible in the tail end. I am asking him to get rid of McMaster. I will be the first one to call our president out when I think heâs crossed the line.â
I then headed back to the anti-Trump side for an alternative perspective, and spoke with a guy wearing a black cape, Jesse Jackson for President pin, and a red eye-mask.
I asked him why he is at the protest, the masked man responds by saying
âThere are 193 countries on the planet and this is the worst one.â
Luke âWhy is it the worst one?â
Masked Man, âWhich country causes the most destruction to the planet and to America, than the United States of America?â
Luke comments, âWell if you looks at pollution it is the U.S. the military does produce a lot of pollution.â
Masked Man, âWhat about the metal monster cars.â
Luke, âWhat would you say is your biggest problem with Donald Trump,
if there was one issue that was important enough.â
Masked Man, âActually itâs not really against, its sort of sympathetic, the man has an extreme medical problem, every indication is that heâs addicted to cocaine and itâs making him wild and mad and heâs not responsible. Aside from the meat and the alcohol, that heâs a cocaine addict, itâs an excellent excuse for him to get off, what else explains his behavior.â
In retrospect- that may not have been the fairest guy to interview. I then talked with more people to try an get a coherent answer as to why they want to impeach Trump
I interviewed a guy in a pink hat, who said
âI am out here because Donald Trump is a threat to this country and the world.â
Me: âWhat do you think the biggest issue you have with Donald Trump,
that you think he should be impeached for?â
Pink Hat: âHe colluded with Vladimir Putin to become president and he is an unstable narcissist who is incompetent and has no qualifications to be president and I do not believe he won the election fairly.â
Me: âWhen you look at Trumps foreign policy, he looks very aggressive towards Russia especially in Syria. Does it worry you that the moves he is making with Saudi Arabia and Israel against Syria and Russia.â
Pink Hat: âWell, it would take awhile for me to explain, but yes I am very unnerved about what he is doing in foreign policy. Not just Russia but also he has been selling us out to China he has been selling us out to the Saudis, he is conducting foreign policy for hire. His son-in-lawâs company was basically selling Visaâs to rich Chinese people at the same time that he is deporting working undocumented people, he is selling immigration access to the rich.â
Me: âHe has also been colluding with Saudi Arabia having donated 100 million dollars to his daughter after a major weapons deal, do you believe the Russian collusion with Putin is really a legitimate reason to impeach him though?â
Pink Hat: âI think that after Robert Mueller releases his report with all of the evidence it will be enough to initiate something.â
I returned to the Trump side of the protests to see if they would stand behind him no matter what- or call him out for some of the mistakes he has made as President
I spotted a man carrying a Polish flag, introduced myself,
and asked him why he came out to support Trump
Polish Flag Guy: âI voted for him obviously, but today there were reports that there would be riots, that there would be a group of Antifa who are basically the communists kids trying to destroy everything, so when I heard they could riot and cause damage to the cities across the country, Iâm not having that. Even though I disagree with the anti-Trump people, I disagree with Antifa a hell of a lot more⌠They donât want to listen to anybody, even if you mildly disagree with them.â
Me: âAre there any policies of Trumps that you feel disappointed in?â
Polish Flag Guy: âAt the moment not really, I was really hoping they would take care of health care though, that has been a severe problem for this country and you see the effects of it on a lot of people. The conservatives have had eight years to come up with a solution and now they are in conflict and canât come up with something, you guys had all this time...â
Me: âAre you concerned about him aligning with a group of anarchist and communists, the Kurds inside of Syria in order to fight the Syrian government?
Polish Flag Guy: âThat was an action of his that I did not really agree with, to attack Assad, especially over that chemical attack, there is conflict about what happened. I wasnât in support of that, we see the pattern in taking down countries like these and taking down their leaders and the substitution for that will become ISIS. He understands why Putin is aligning with Assad to keep the greater evil outâŚ. I was hoping we could focus on ourselves and fix stuff within.â
Me: âI know a lot of people like to shift the blame on to McMaster but Trump is the one that appointed him. McMaster is hungry for war with Russia, while Flynn wasnât, he was kicked out. I think unfairly on some levels and now he has a very pro war guy. They released a memo a couple of days ago saying they will strike Syria again if they use chemical weapons.â
Polish Flag Guy: âI completely disagree with that policy, God I hope Trump doesnât do something stupid⌠like that.â
I then talked with Tommy who said âHe is just here to protect America, and to protect freedom of speech. These people want to completely change it into some sort of hybrid between communism and fascism. We werenât expecting a riot this is just a way to protect against the potential of a riot.â
A man sporting an Uncle Sam style costume pulls out a large poster of âMichael Moore as Uncle Samâ that says âI Want You For the Army of Comedyâ.
He then says âWe need to control ourselves, because we can not win against ignorance. Letâs dress up, letâs make a mockery of this mockery, this is what we need to do guys. The question is not the answer ever.â to which an anti-trump activist asks âYour with Vladimir Putin right?â to which the man replies, âPointing at Trump tower, he is with Vladimir Putin, I am very much not with Vladimir Putin.
I asked: âDo you think the Russian ties are the main reason for impeachment?â
Army of Comedy Guy: âI think the Russian ties have got to make us think about impeachment but we also need to think about that, we have eliminated freedom of the press by selectively lying about truths. We are discrediting people by race and religion, the last time that happened was under Adolph Hitler. Everything is a false truth to discredit people that say the truth.â
I asked a woman: âWhat is the most impeachable offense that Trump has committed?â
Woman: âThe most recent one is his tirades against Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, he has been stalking them, threatened them, harassed them and tried to extort them by threatening them with publishing bad news on them in the National Inquirer. If you or I did that we would be locked up for stalking.â
Me: âDo you think the tweets are the most important aspect of having him impeached?â
Woman: âI would say there is a lot of evidence of his crimes in his tweets, the tweeting itself is not a crime, but there is your evidence, right there.â
Me: âA lot of people on the right make the argument that the media has been attacking him unfairly in some instances, whether appropriate or inappropriate what do you make of that argument?â
Woman: âI never like to bring up Obama, but the truth is no president has ever been more harassed by media in general than Barrack Obama. How did he take it, like a man, this guy (Trump) takes it like a 12 year old boy that needs to wear diapers. Heâs sickâŚ.â
Me: âWhat do you think of Trumpâs foreign policies?â
Woman: âWhat foreign policy, to collude with our enemies, and disrespect our allies, that foreign policy?â
I explained ( from my perspective ) how Trump appears to be making foreign policy moves against Syria and Russia.
Woman: âI feel like that is just a distraction, he is looking to start a war, he is a psycho with the nuclear codes in his pocket and itâs very very dangerous.â
Me: âwho do you think the war would be between.â
Woman: âProbably North KoreaâŚ. I donât know what news your listening to but I listen to the mainstream news. MSNBC and CNNâ
Me: âDo you think they are honest?â
Woman: âYes I do actually, and him calling them fake news is a complete lie.â
Me: âBy the way, this is the same mainstream media that told us there was weapons of destruction in Iraq.â
Woman: âWell they were fed that information from the Bush Administration and Hillary Clinton believed it to. They often repeat the news as itâs fed, they didnât lie, when you repeat something thatâs given to you as truth from a reliable source such as United States Intel, itâs the U.S. Intel thatâs the lie.â
Not too much logic there, I canât believe people still believe the mainstream media or the Russian collusion delusion! These things will only lead to more war and more Balkanization. They're a big distraction put on by the mainstream media while ignoring the legitimate reasons to criticize Donald Trump.
We keep seeing the continuation of Bush's and Obama's foreign policy with Trump. Sadly most of the anti-Trump activists do not seem to be aware of this- many of the Trump supporters however are. They are also hopeful and optimistic about Trumpâs policies giving him the full benefit of the doubt. These conversations need to happen more often so we can understand each others perspectives.
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