RE: RE: Proof of Brain is Dead, Long Live Proof of Social-Value
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RE: Proof of Brain is Dead, Long Live Proof of Social-Value

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"Show me the actual numbers rather than making up made up numbers :)"

Do your best to count the organic unique people posting and separate them from the bots now posting here. There can only be estimates, which you indicate you know damn well with that smiley. Arcange monthly posts stats relevant to such estimation, and I draw on them, as well as other metrics and people I consider reasonable and reliable judges. Make your best guess and substitute in your own numbers as you prefer. That will not change the reality but by fractional percentages, which are essentially immaterial to the point.

"PoSV argues against bots getting rewards."

That was exactly the point of PoB. Because you cannot ascertain which post or comments are from bots, you cannot purpose to deprive them of rewards.

"You are not going to stop bots from being able to post."

Then neither are you or anyone else going to deprive them of rewards.

"...we can make it a norm that AI agents shouldn't get votes..."

No, we can't, as long as we can't identify bots.

"...humans that post templated actifit reports and do not interact with anyone should be treated the same."

A myriad of communities are potential and actual on Hive, and I am sure the Actifit community are happy you aren't the god of Hive able to smite them down. I do not particularly disagree with your sentiment, but I do disagree you should be the decider, and nor do I want intrahive wars over who has the right to post instead of 'Anyone can post anything.', as you point out in your comment. When Ned introduced the idea of communities, because it was tied to oracles communities had vastly greater potential than merely being a group with mutual interests. Communities were envisioned to be able to change how rewards worked, how votes worked, and to be able to be invite only or open to the public. When availed such enormous power to create variations on the basic platform communities would be able to demonstrate that one way or another was superior to other ways, and communities that adopted the best mechanisms would demonstrate the best user retention, and that would enable the platform to conquer the world.

We can differentiate bots from people. A variety of hashing mechanisms enables unique humans to be discerned and identified with each post. Such mechanisms Ned called oracles, and were integral to his idea to change governance of the platform from a plutocracy to a democracy. I remain convinced that change in governance is necessary for Hive to continue to exist.

"PoB does not care about the value an account generates."

It certainly does. I submit either you're deliberately misstating the reason PoB was started, or ignorant of it. PoB is demonstrating the account is an actual human being, and this was to focus rewards on that very social value only people have in society.

"Hence all the autovoting that is the death of PoB."

That's a ridiculous claim. Autovoting is the death of Hive, as I have been saying the whole time Hive has been dying. PoB is no different than any other community in which people vote. They all have members that use autovoters. PoB demonstrated it is not able to substantially change how rewards are distributed, and PoSV will prove the same, because neither are conceived to change governance, nor to sort people from bots.

"Post actual numbers, rather than made up numbers. Then I'll take you seriously until then it is just ramblings with no actual meaning."

You first. Live by the standards you would force on others, or demonstrate your hypocrisy here for all to see. At least I posted numbers, and made effort to be reasonably relevant, rather than just speculating as you are without making the least effort to quantify even one single property or principle in the OP.

Edit: As to percentages of the take from the pool, that has been consistently growing in inequity from the advent of the platform. Some months back Holozor posted some numbers regarding distribution of rewards in reply to a comment of mine, and if you feel up to searching through our discussions using tools available on Hive, go ahead. I did draw on his numbers, but I have been discussing these matters with lots of people since 2017, and the inequity has only got worse. Back then it was about 90:10. Or you could work up your own estimations, as I did. If you don't want to hear mine, then make your own. It's hard to consider your criticism seriously when you have not made any effort to quantify anything at all.

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