I really like the direction we are heading and the future we are creating. I would like to thank the entire Photronics team for all your hard work during Q1 to both deliver on the quarter as well as build towards a bright future in 2019 and beyond.
I will now turn the call over to John for more details on our Q1 performance and our Q2 outlook.
John Jordan
๊ณ ๋ง์, ํผํฐ. ๋ชจ๋ ์๋
ํ์ญ๋๊น. Peter์ ์ค๋ช
์ ๋ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์์ ๋ํฅ์ 1 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ๊ณ์ํด์ ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ ํ์ ์ธ ๊ณ์ ํ ์ญํ์ ๋์ฒํ์ฌ 2 %์ ์์ฐจ์ ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ๊ณผ 12 %์ ์ ๋
๋๋น ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ํนํ ํ์ด ์๋ ๋งค์ถ๋ก ์ธํด ๋ค์ ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. ํนํ ํ์ด ์๋ IC๋ ์ ๋
๋๋น 51 % ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค. . ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ๋ณด๋ค ์์ธํ ๋
ผ์ํ๊ธฐ ์ ์ ํ์ด ์๋ IC์ ์ ์๋ฅผ ์์ ํ์์ ์ง์ ํ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ์๋ ํ์ด ์๋๋ก 45 ๋๋
ธ ๋ฏธํฐ ์ดํ์ ๊ฒ์ ๋ถ๋ฅํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ธฐ์ ์ ์งํ์ ๋ง์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ์ฌ์ฉํ๋ ๋ถ๋ฅ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ 28 ๋๋
ธ ๋ฏธํฐ ์ดํ์ ์ ํ์ ํ์ด ์๋๋ก ๋ถ๋ฅํฉ๋๋ค. ์ง์ ์ฌ๋ผ์ด๋์์์ด ๋ชจ๋ ๋ณ๊ฒฝ ์ฌํญ์ ๋ฐ์ํ์ฌ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ด ์์ ๋์์ต๋๋ค.
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ธ ์๋๋ก ๋ถ๋ฅํ์์๋ ์์ฒญ๋ ๋งค์ถ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ ธ์จ ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ์๋์ง์ด๋ค์...
IC revenue overall was essentially flat compared with the previous quarter. Strong high-end growth was offset by seasonal softness in mainstream. The high-end growth of 10% over Q4 fiscal 2017 derived from logic demand from foundries in Asia. In fact, as Peter mentioned, for the second consecutive quarter, our PDMC JV in Taiwan posted record revenue. Memory was down slightly, but likely due to order timing rather than any change in underlying demand dynamics. On a year-over-year basis, IC grew 11%, driven by that 51% increase in high-end demand. Both high-end logic and memory were up compared with somewhat softer demand last year.
์ ๋ฐ์ ์ธ IC ๋งค์ถ์ ์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋๋น ๊ฑฐ์ ํํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฃผ๋ ฅ ์ ํ์ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์ผ๋ก ์์๋์์ต๋๋ค. 2017 ๋
4 ์ฌ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋นํด ์์์ ์ง์ญ ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ์ ๋
ผ๋ฆฌ ์์๋ก ์ธํด 10 %์ ์ต๊ณ ์ฑ์ฅ๋ฅ ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ค์ ๋ก Peter๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธ ํ๋๋ก 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ฐ์์ผ๋ก ๋๋ง์ PDMC JV๋ ๋๋ผ์ด ๋งค์ถ์ ๊ธฐ๋กํ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ํญ ๊ฐ์ํ์ง๋ง, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์์ ๋๋ ฅ์ ๋ณํ๋ณด๋ค๋ ์ค๋ ํ์ด๋ฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด์ธ๋ค. ์ ๋
๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น IC๋ ๊ณ ๊ธ ์์๊ฐ 51 % ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๋ฐ ํ ์
์ด 11 % ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ค. ์๋
๋ณด๋ค ์ฝ๊ฐ์ ์์ ์ฆ๊ฐ์ ๋น๊ตํด ํ์ด ์๋ ๋ก์ง๊ณผ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋ ์์นํ๋ค.
Similar to IC, FPD achieved strong high-end revenue growth compared with last quarter and last year. Mainstream FPD also delivered strong improvement. All combined, FPD revenue improved 11% sequentially and 19% over the same period last year, including high-end increases of 10% sequentially and 9% over prior year.
The biggest driver of this growth, as Peter alluded to, was strong demand for LCD masks, as our customers are actively releasing new panel designs to maintain utilization levels in their operations to compensate for the softer demand for existing LCD panels. While AMOLED demand was off slightly this quarter, we expect improvement going forward, as customers will also release new designs to optimize utilization. Plus, there is more AMOLED panel demand coming online. If all goes well, we should be able to leverage this increase in AMOLED demand with the installation of our new mask writing tool, the P-800, which will begin at this quarter and be completed in Q3.
IC์ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก FPD๋ ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ง๋ ํด์ ๋นํด ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋์ ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ฌ์ฑํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฃผ๋ฅ FPD ์ญ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ด๋ฃจ์์ต๋๋ค. FPD ๋งค์ถ ์ด์ก์ ์์ฐจ์ ์ผ๋ก 11 %, ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 10 % ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ผ๋ฉฐ ์ ๋ ๋๋น 9 % ์ฆ๊ฐํ 19 %๋ฅผ ํฌํจ ํด ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ ๋๋น 19 % ์ฆ๊ฐํ์ต๋๋ค.
ํผํฐ๊ฐ ์ธ๊ธ ํ์ด ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ์์ธ์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ๊ธฐ์กด LCD ํจ๋์ ๋ํ๋ณด๋ค ๋ถ๋๋ฌ์ด ์์๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ๊ฐ๋๋ฅ ์ ์ ์งํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์๋ก์ด ํจ๋ ๋์์ธ์ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฐํํจ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ LCD ๋ง์คํฌ์ ๋ํ ์์๊ฐ ๊ฐํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ AMOLED ์์๊ฐ ์ํญ ๊ฐ์ํ ๋ฐ๋ฉด, ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค์ ํ์ฉ๋๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ํํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์๋ก์ด ๋์์ธ์ ๋ฐํ ํ ๊ฒ์ด๋ฏ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ์ด ๊ณ์ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ฒ๋ค๊ฐ AMOLED ํจ๋ ์์๊ฐ ์จ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ์ ์งํ๋๋ค๋ฉด, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์์๋์ด 3 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์๋ฃ ๋ ์๋ก์ด ๋ง์คํฌ ํ๊ธฐ ๋๊ตฌ ์ธ P-800์ ์ค์นํจ์ผ๋ก์จ AMOLED ์์ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ํ์ฉํ ์์์ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค.
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Gross margin improved to 22.4% in the quarter from 21.9% in Q4 and 20.9% in Q1 prior year. But not as much improvement as we would typically expect due to mix. Operating expenses were $15.9 million in Q1 fiscal 2018 compared to $14 million in Q4 fiscal 2017. A large part of the increase over Q4 is attributable to one-time favorable adjustments that reduced OpEx in Q4 and did not repeat in Q1. The ramping China operations are also beginning to impact operating expense.
In Q1, operating expenses represented 12.8% of revenue compared to 13.1% in Q1 prior year. As a result, operating income in the quarter was $11.8 million and operating margin was 9.6% compared to 10.3% in Q4 and 7.9% in Q1 2017. Below the operating income line, two factors had a significant impact on income. First, we incurred a foreign exchange loss of $4.7 million or after-tax and minority interest $2.7 million, about $0.04 a share, primarily as a result of the weakening of the US dollar during the quarter and the impact that had on our foreign entities holding US dollars.
๋งค์ถ ์ด ์ด์ต์ 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ 21.9 %, ์ ๋
๋๊ธฐ 20.9 %์์ 22.4 %๋ก ๊ฐ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ ๋ฏน์ค ๋๋ฌธ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ๋ณด๋ค ํจ์ฌ ๊ฐ์ ๋์ง๋ ์์์ต๋๋ค. ์ด์ ๋น์ฉ์ 2017 ๋
4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ 1 ์ฒ 4 ๋ฐฑ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ๋นํด 2018 ๋
1 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ 1590 ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ต๋๋ค. 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋นํด ์ฆ๊ฐํ ๋ถ๋ถ์ ์ผํ์ฑ ์ ๋ฆฌํ ์กฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ธํด 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ OpEx๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ํ๊ณ 1 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์๋ ๋ฐ๋ณต๋์ง ์์๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ์ค๊ตญ์ ์์
ํ๋ ๋ํ ์์
๋น์ฉ์ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์น๊ธฐ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค.
1 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ ๋น์ฉ์ ์ ๋ ๋๊ธฐ 13.1 %์์ 12.8 %๋ก ์ฆ๊ฐํ๋ค. ๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์์ ์ด์ต์ 1180 ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์๊ณ ์์ ์ด์ต๋ฅ ์ 9.6 % ์๋๋ฐ, ์ด๋ 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ 10.3 %์ 2017 ๋ ์ 7.9 %์ ๋นํด 9.6 %์์ต๋๋ค. ์์ ์ด์ต๋ณด๋ค ์ ์ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์์๊ฐ ์๋์ ํฐ ์ํฅ์ ๋ฏธ์ณค์ต๋๋ค. ์ฒซ์งธ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค ๋ฌ๋ฌ ์ฝ์ธ์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์๋ ์ธ๊ตญ ๊ธฐ์ ์ ๋ฏธ์น ์ํฅ์ผ๋ก ์ฃผ๋ก 4 ๋ฐฑ 7 ์ญ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋๋ ์ธ๊ธ ๋ฐ ์์ ์ฃผ์ฃผ ์ง๋ถ 2.7 ๋ฐฑ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ, ์ฃผ๋น 0.04 ๋ฌ๋ฌ์ ์ธํ ์์ค์ ๊ฒช์์ต๋๋ค ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฌ๋ฌ.
Secondly, we recognized tax benefits of $4.2 million or $0.06 a share as a result of two factors. The first was a change included in the Tax Reform Act that allows immediate recognition of accumulated alternative minimum tax or AMT credits. Our valuation allowance against these credits was reversed in the quarter, providing a $3.9 million benefit. This provision in the tax law will enable us to monetize those credits in the future.
We also realized a net benefit from the tax rate increase in Taiwan that increased the value of our tax loss carryforward there. After consideration of the operating results, the tax benefit, and FX impact, we delivered $5.9 million of net income to our shareholders or $0.09 per diluted share compared to $5.4 million and $0.08 in Q4 2017 and $1.9 million and $0.03 in Q1 2017. The Q1 fiscal 2017 result also included a loss attributable to foreign currency of $0.02 per share. On the balance sheet, our cash balance at the end of the quarter increased more than $40 million to $349 million, primarily due to another quarter of strong operating cash flow, including $22.4 million of depreciation and amortization and a little less than $900,000 of share-based comp.
Other significant cash flow items included a $12 million capital contribution payment from our JV partner in China as their initial contribution to our newly established PDMCX JV, which is consolidated into the Photronics, Inc. balance sheet. CapEx was $11 million during the quarter. We still anticipate spending a total of $250 million this year as we complete construction and begin to install tools for our two new facilities in China. Recall that about half of the 2018 CapEx is planned to occur in the fourth quarter.
Before providing second-quarter guidance, I will repeat our reminder that our visibility is always limited, as our backlog is typically only one to two weeks. And demand for some of our products is inherently uneven and difficult to predict. Additionally, the ASPs for high-end mask sets are high. And as this segment of the business grows, a relatively low number of high-end orders can have a significant impact on our revenue for a quarter.
Given those caveats and factoring in the potential impact of Chinese New Year and the continued ramp of our new China operations, we expect second-quarter revenue to be in the range of $120 million to $128 million. Based on this revenue expectation and our current operating model, we estimate earnings for the fiscal 2018 second quarter to be in the range of $0.04 to $0.09 per diluted share.
2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ง์นจ์ ์ ๊ณตํ๊ธฐ ์ ์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ฌ๊ณ ์๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก 1 ~ 2 ์ฃผ ๋ฐ์ ์๋๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ์ ๊ฐ์์ฑ์ด ํญ์ ์ ํ๋๋ค๋ ๊ฒ์ ์๊ธฐ์์ผ ๋๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ์ผ๋ถ ์ ํ์ ๋ํ ์์๋ ๋ณธ์ง์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ณ ๋ฅด์ง ์์ผ๋ฉฐ ์์ธกํ๊ธฐ ์ด๋ ต์ต๋๋ค. ๋ํ ํ์ด ์๋ ๋ง์คํฌ ์ธํธ์ ASP๋ ๋์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ด ์ฌ์
๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด ์ฑ์ฅํจ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฎ์ ์์ ํ์ด ์๋ ์ฃผ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋งค์ถ์ ์๋นํ ์ํฅ์ ์ค ์ ์์ต๋๋ค.
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์ฒด๊ฐ ์ ๋ฐ ๋ง๋น์ด๋๊น. ๋ธ๋ญํฌ ์
์ฒด๊ฐ ๋น์ทํ ์ ์์ง ์์๊น ์ถ๊ธฐ๋ ํ๊ณ
์ด๋ฌํ ๋ฌธ์ ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ๊ณ ์ค๊ตญ ์ค๋ ์ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ธ ์ํฅ๊ณผ ์๋ก์ด ์ค๊ตญ ์ฌ์ ์ ์ง์์ ์ธ ์ฆ๊ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋ 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋งค์ถ์ 1 ์ต 2 ๋ฐฑ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 1 ์ต 2 ์ฒ 8 ๋ฐฑ๋ง ๋ฌ๋ฌ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ด ์์ต ์์๊ณผ ํ์ฌ ์ด์ ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ๋ฐํ์ผ๋ก 2018 ํ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์์ต์ ํฌ์ ์ฃผ๋น 0.04 ๋ฌ๋ฌ์์ 0.09 ๋ฌ๋ฌ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค.
We have begun the year on a good foot, achieving revenue growth on good demand trends for our high-end products. Cash generation during the quarter helped to further strengthen our balance sheet, placing us on solid ground ahead of large investments later this year. As a management team, we are highly confident that our investments in China will enable healthy market share gains, especially with our PDMCX JV now established to position Photronics to compete effectively where the merchant IC market is growing. And continue improving our profitability and cash flow to invest in organic and M&A growth opportunities.
I will now turn the call over to the operator for your questions.
์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ์ด ์๋ ์ ํ์ ๋ํ ์ข์ ์์ ๋ํฅ์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ๋งค์ถ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ธฐ ์ํด 1 ๋
์ ์์ํ์ต๋๋ค. 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ค ํ๊ธ ์ฐฝ์ถ์ ๋์ฐจ ๋์กฐํ๋ฅผ ๋์ฑ ๊ฐํ์์ผ ์ฌํด ๋ง์ ๋๊ท๋ชจ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ์๋๊ณ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ ๋ง๋ จํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ด๋ฆฌ ํ์ผ๋ก์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ค๊ตญ์ ๋ํ ํฌ์๋ก ์ธํด ์์ฅ ์ ์ ์จ์ด ์์น ํ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ํ์ ํฉ๋๋ค. ํนํ Photronics๊ฐ ์์ธ IC ์์ฅ์ด ์ฑ์ฅํ๋ ๊ณณ์์ ํจ๊ณผ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฒฝ์ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์ค๋ฆฝ ๋ PDMCX JV๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ M & A ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ธฐํ์ ํฌ์ํ๊ธฐ ์ํด ์์ต์ฑ๊ณผ ํ๊ธ ํ๋ฆ์ ์ง์์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ํ์ญ์์ค.
์ด์ ๊ทํ์ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ๋ํด ๊ตํ ์์๊ฒ ์ ํ๋ฅผ ๊ฒ๋๋ค.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Edwin Mok with Needham & Company. Your line is open.
Edwin Mok
Morning, guys. Good job for the quarter. So first question I have on FPD; I guess a two-part question. First is I remember previously some of your customers converting lines from LCD to OLED. And that caused some headwind for your business. Do you see any risk around that as we go through this year?
And then for AMOLED, is it still predominantly that one large customer that you are seeing demand? Or you start to see demand coming from the second or even like beyond the other Chinese customers?
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ํ์ธ์. 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ์ ํ์ด. FPD์ ๋ํ ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์
๋๋ค. ๋๋ ๋ ๋ถ๋ถ์ผ๋ก ๋ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์ถ์ธกํ๋ค. ์ฐ์ ์ด์ ์ LCD์์ OLED๋ก ๋ผ์ธ์ ๋ณํํ๋ ์ผ๋ถ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ตํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ ๋น์ ์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์ ์ญํ์ ์ผ์ผ์ผฐ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฌํด๋ฅผ์ง๋๋ฉด์ ๊ทธ ์ฃผ์์ ์ํ์ด ์์ต๋๊น?
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ AMOLED์ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ ์ฌ์ ํ ์์๊ฐ ๋ง์ ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ์์ต๋๊น? ์๋๋ฉด ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ค๊ตญ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ์ด์ํ์ฌ ์์๊ฐ ๋ฐ์ํ๊ธฐ ์์ ํ์ต๋๊น?
Peter Kirlin
Yes, as far as the conversion is concerned, the AMOLED capacity that resulted from that conversion should be coming online in the second calendar quarter of the year. So we don't see that presenting a risk. We see that presenting a business opportunity for us towards the end of our second quarter and building beyond that. So that's not in our business at the present time, but we expect to see the demand resulting from it.
And yes, as far as your question on the second-tier AMOLED customers, we've now shipped AMOLED reticle sets to more than a half a dozen customers. A lot of those sets are the first pipe cleaners, but they are certainly indicative of business to come.
์, ์ ํ์ ๊ดํ ํ, ์ ํ์ผ๋ก ์ธํ AMOLED ์ฉ๋์ ์ฌํด ๋ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์จ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ๋ผ์์ผํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ํ์ ์ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด์ง ๋ชปํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ๊ฐ ๋๋ ๋ฌด๋ ต์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ์ํ ์ฌ์
๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์ ์ํ๊ณ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ ๋์ด์ ๊ฑด์ถํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ด
๋๋ค. ํ์ฌ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์
์๋ ํด๋น๋์ง ์์ง๋ง, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ๋ก ์ธํ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๋ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค, ์ ์ธ์ปจํฐ์ด AMOLED ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๊ดํ ์ง๋ฌธ์, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด์ AMOLED ๋ ํฐํด ์ธํธ๋ฅผ 6 ๋ช
์ด์์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์๊ฒ ์ ์ ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ๋ง์ ์ธํธ๊ฐ ์ต์ด์ ํ์ดํ ์ฒญ์๊ธฐ์ด์ง๋ง, ๊ทธ๋ค์ ๋ถ๋ช
ํ ์ค๋ ์ฌ์
์ ๋ํ๋
๋๋ค.
Edwin Mok
Okay, great. That's helpful. And then on the high-end IC, on your guidance you expect logic to be weaker this quarter. When do we expect that to start recovering? Maybe you can talk a little bit about the dynamics around that.
์ข์, ์ข์. ๋์์ด๋ฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ์ด ์๋ IC์์ ๊ทํ์์ง๋์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ด๋ฒ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ๋ก์ง์ด ์ฝํด์ง ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์๋ฉ๋๋ค. ์ธ์ ๋ณต๊ตฌ๊ฐ ์์๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ๊ธฐ๋ํฉ๋๊น? ์ด์ฉ๋ฉด ๋น์ ์ ๊ทธ ์ฃผ๋ณ์ ์ญ ๋์ฑ์ ๊ดํด ์กฐ๊ธ ์ด์ผ๊ธฐ ํ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค.
Peter Kirlin
Yes, our logic business really -- the significant uptick in revenues we had in Q4 in the high end was largely driven by logic. Likewise, we saw incremental growth in the high end in our logic business in Q1. Memory was actually down for the first time in five quarters in Q1.
So logic has actually performed quite well. And I would point you to UMC's quarterly release, where for the year, even though their 28-nanometer revenues are down, the way they are building their 28-nanometer business back is with small not large customers. So Jason predicted double the 28-nanometer tapeouts this year versus last year and we are seeing the benefit of that.
Beyond that, in the last quarter, the largest of segment of our high-end business was falling in the 14 to 22 nanometer slot. And again, I said memory was down. So we have other customers helping us along in the logic market.
So given that we've seen good growth for the last two quarters, and our business tends to be a bit saw-toothed, we are assuming given Chinese New Year's and how much strength we've had that logic is going to be down. But also in our prepared remarks, we mentioned we expect memory to be up again. And we have a good reasons based on the amount of memory WIP we have at the present time to believe that's going to be the case. So a bit lumpy, but generally up and to the right.
๊ทธ๋ ์ต๋๋ค, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ic์ฌ์
์ ์ ๋ง๋ก - ํ์ด ์๋์์ 4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ป์ ๋งค์ถ์์ ์๋นํ ์์น์ ๋ก์ง์ ์ํด ํฌ๊ฒ ์ข์ฐ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ Q1์ ๋ก์ง ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์์ ํ์ด ์๋๊ธ ์ ํ์ ์ ์ง์ ์ธ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. Q1์์ 5 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ง์ ์ฒ์์ผ๋ก ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ๊ฐ์ํ์ต๋๋ค.
-->๋ก์ง์ ์๋ก์ด ์ ํ์ ์์ฐ... ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ธฐ์กด ๋ฉ๋ก๋ฆฌ์ ํ ์์ฐ์ ์ง์คํ๋ ๊ฑธ๋ก ..
๊ทธ๋์ ๋
ผ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ค์ ๋ก ๊ฝค ์ ์ํ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ ๋ UMC์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋ณ ์ถ์๋ฅผ ์๋ ค ๋๋ฆด ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ์ฌํด 28 ๋๋
ธ ๋ฏธํฐ์ ๋งค์ถ์ด ๊ฐ์ํ๋๋ผ๋ 28 ๋๋
ธ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถํ๋ ๋ฐฉ์์ ๊ท๋ชจ๊ฐ ์์ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ผ๋กํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ ์ด์จ์ ์๋
์ ๋นํด ์ฌํด 28 ๋๋
ธ ๋ฏธํฐ ํ
์ดํ ์์์ ๋ ๋ฐฐ๋ก ์์ํ์ผ๋ฉฐ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ์ด์ ์๋ณด๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค.
--->UMC ๊ฑฐ๋ ๊ธฐ๋๊ฐ ํฌ๋ค. ๊ทธ๋งํผ UMC๊ฐ ์ฌํด ๋์์ง ์๋ค๋ ๊ฑด๊ฐ?
๊ทธ ์ธ์๋ ์ง๋ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ํ์ด ์๋๊ธ ์ฌ์ ๋ถ๋ฌธ ์ค ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ๋ถ๋ฌธ์ด 14 ๋๋ ธ ๋ฏธํฐ์์ 22 ๋๋ ธ ๋ฏธํฐ๋ก ์ค์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ค์, ๋๋ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ์ชฝ์ด ๋ฌด๋์ก๋ค๊ณ ๋งํ๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ก์ง ์์ฅ์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค.
์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ง๋ 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ์ข์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ณด์๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฌ์ ์ด ์ฝ๊ฐ ํฑ๋ ๋ชจ์์ด๋๋ ๊ฒฝํฅ์ด์๋ ๊ฒ์ ๊ฐ์ํ ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ค๋ ๊ณผ ์ค๊ตญ์ ๋ ผ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ผ๋ง๋ ๊ฐํด ์ก๋์ง ์ถ์ธกํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ์ค๋น๋ ๋ฐ์ธ์์๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ธฐ์ต์ด ๋ค์ ์ผ์ด๋๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๋ค๊ณ ์ธ๊ธํ๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ํ์ฌ์ ์ํฉ์์ WIP๊ฐ ๋ฏฟ์๋งํ ๋ฉ๋ชจ๋ฆฌ ์์ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ์ผ๋กํ๋ ์ข์ ์ด์ ๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์กฐ๊ธ ์ธํ๋ถํํ์ง๋ง, ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ์ผ๋ก.
Edwin Mok
Okay, great. That's helpful. Last question I have, just on the cost side. I think John, you mentioned that some of the costs of the Chinese ramp is starting to come in your OpEx in the fiscal first quarter. So how do you think about OpEx trend in the second quarter and maybe for the rest of the year?
Also, just in terms of ramp of the new facility, since you guys are going to start taking tools later on this fiscal year, do you expect depreciation to start coming in the second half of this year? Or is it more like 2019 when we start to see the depreciation expense start to come in?
John Jordan
Edwin, good question. Our plan, obviously, to be able to go into production in the beginning of next year is to staff up and be ready for that. So the OpEx will continue to increase during the year as we fill that staffing requirement. We won't start depreciating the tools, though, until they are actually in production, which will be next year.
Edwin Mok
Any way you can kind of quantify both the OpEx or the depreciation piece?
John Jordan
So you can assume that the effect on EPS for the Chinese ramp is in the range of $0.01 to $0.02. And that will increase somewhat in third quarter and in fourth quarter.
Peter Kirlin
Edwin, I will just remind you that we will give much more color on the China ramp during our Investor Day. But we have this kind of long-term objective to get to $1 a share. And the investments we are making in China are absolutely essential to hit that target. And yes, there is a small bleed right now. As John said, it's $0.01 to $0.02. We will do our best next quarter to keep it under $0.02, but we can't get to where we want to get to without some short-term pain. But we will do our absolute best to mitigate it.
Edwin Mok
Great. I think that's it for now. Looking forward to the event. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Ho with Stifel. Your line is open.
Brian Chin
Hi, good morning. This is Brian Chin on for Patrick. Thanks for letting us ask a few questions. I guess first question, maybe following up on Edwin. In terms of foundry logic, is it fair to characterize perhaps, given your current visibility, that that business, especially from your lead customer, reaches a bottom in fiscal Q2 and maybe stays there for a quarter or two? Or do you think the drawdown in sales could last over a couple quarters?
์๋
ํ์ธ์ ์ข์ ์์นจ. ์ด๊ฒ์ Patrick์๊ฒ Brian Chin์
๋๋ค. ๋ช ๊ฐ์ง ์ง๋ฌธ์ ํด ์ฃผ์
์ ๊ฐ์ฌํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ์ง๋ฌธ์ ์๋ง๋ ์๋์์ ๋ฐ๋ผ ์ก์ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ ๋
ผ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ, ํ์ฌ ๊ฐ์์ฑ์ ๊ณ ๋ คํ ๋, ํนํ ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๊ฐ ํ๊ณ 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์ตํ์ธต์ ๋๋ฌํ๊ณ ์๋ง๋ 1 ~ 2 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ๋์ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ฌ์์ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ์ด ์๋์ง๋ฅผ ํน์ฑํํ๋ ๊ฒ์ด ํฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ผ๊น์? ์๋๋ฉด ํ๋งค ์ถ์๊ฐ 2/4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ด์ ์ง์๋ ์ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๊น?
Peter Kirlin
Looking at the business levels from that customer, they actually troughed three quarters ago and have been building back since. And I just will reiterate first, tapeouts usually precede revenues by a quarter or two for our customers. And beyond that, UMC, again, has publicly stated the way they expect to build their 28 nanometer back with small not large customers. That means lower wafer volumes per every design win. So that means more reticles per foundry dollar. So I'll say our business troughed with that customer three quarters ago and is growing.
ํด๋น ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ์์ค์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์ค์ ๋ก 3/4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์ ํฐ ์ค์๋ฅผ ์ ์ง๋ฅด๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ดํ๋ก ๋ค์ ๊ตฌ์ถ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ์ํด ํ ์ดํ ์์์ด ์ผ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋งค์ถ์ 1/4 ๋๋ 2๋ฅผ ์ ํํ๋ค๋ ์ ์ ๋ค์ ํ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์กฐ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ด์์ผ๋ก, UMC๋ ์๊ท๋ชจ์ ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ๋์์ผ๋ก 28 ๋๋ ธ ๋ฏธํฐ๋ฅผ ์ ์ํ ์์๋ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ์ ๊ณต๊ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ฐํํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฆ, ๋ชจ๋ ๋์์ธ ๋น ์จ์ดํผ ์์๊ฐ ๋ฎ์์ง๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ํ์ด๋๋ฆฌ ๋ฌ๋ฌ ๋น ๋ ๋ง์ ๋ ํฐํด์ ์๋ฏธํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด 3/4 ๋ถ๊ธฐ ์ ์ ๊ทธ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ๋๋ฅผํ๊ณ ์ฑ์ฅํ๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ๋งํ ๊ฒ์ ๋๋ค.
์ ์ ์ค๊ณ์์ Tapeout์ ์ง์ ํ๋ก ๋๋ ์ธ์ ํ๋ก ๊ธฐํ์ด ์ ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์ํด ๋ณด๋ด์ง๊ธฐ ์ ์ ์ต์ข ์ค๊ณ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ๋๋ค. Tapeout์ ํนํ ํ๋ก์ ํฌํ ๋ง์คํฌ ์ฉ ๊ทธ๋ํฝ์ด ์ ์กฐ ์์ค๋ก ๋ณด๋ด์ง๋ ์ง์ ์ ๋๋ค.
Brian Chin
Okay, interesting. Also, wanted to ask about the P-800 and the expectation again to install that tool in the second quarter. When again can we expect the Company to begin to generate meaningful sales from installation of the new tool? Granted that it's for, like you said, higher resolution screens.
Peter Kirlin
Our expectation for that tool is it's going to hit the sweet spot of the uptick in the next wave of growth in AMOLED. So when it's installed, it should ramp quite quickly. We are already doing the work with some large customers to ensure that that is going to be the case. And maybe Chris can make some comments about where the industry is with AMOLED. Chris?
์ด ๋๊ตฌ์ ๋ํ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๊ธฐ๋๋ AMOLED์ ์ฐจ์ธ๋ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋๋ ฅ์ ์์ํ ์์น ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ค์น๊ฐ ์๋ฃ๋๋ฉด ๋งค์ฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง์
ํด์ผํฉ๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ผ๋ถ ๋ํ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋ค๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ๊ทธ ์ผ์ ๋ณด์ฅํ๊ธฐ์ํ ์์
์ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์๋ง๋ Chris๋ ์
๊ณ๊ฐ AMOLED์ ์ด๋ ์๋์ง์ ๋ํด ์๊ฒฌ์ ๋๋ ์ ์์ต๋๋ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์ค?
Christopher Progler
Sure. Thanks, Peter. Yes, Brian, just broadly, we are tracking a variety of AMOLED projects, fabs, also litho tool installations that are targeted for AMOLED. The P-800 we think puts us in a unique position to be, at least for the time being, one of the only suppliers to be able to service those sorts of masks.
And while in 2017, Samsung shipped maybe 100 times more AMOLED panels than others that are getting into it, as Peter said, about a half a dozen new customers are starting to do pipe cleaners. When we look at the specs for those, they are kind of P-800 class specs. So we are excited about that ramping capability and how it is going to fit in with some of these new AMOLED ramps that are really going to start 2018. We are going to see I think a strong pickup in that.
ํ์คํ. ๊ณ ๋ง์, ํผํฐ. ๋ค, ๋ธ๋ผ์ด์ธ, ๋๊ฒ, ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ AMOLED ํ๋ก์ ํธ๋ฅผ์ํ ๋ค์ํ ํน๊ณผ AMOLED๋ฅผ ํ๊ฒ์ผ๋กํ๋ ๋ฆฌ์ (litho) ํด ์ค์น๋ฅผ ์ถ์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์๊ฐํ๋ P-800์ ์ ์ด๋ ๋น๋ถ๊ฐ ์ด๋ฌํ ์ข
๋ฅ์ ๊ฐ๋ฉด์ ์๋น์ค ํ ์์๋ ์ ์ผํ ๊ณต๊ธ ์
์ฒด ์ค ํ๋๊ฐ๋๋ ๋
ํนํ ์์น์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 2017 ๋
์ ์ผ์ฑ ์ ์๋ AMOLED ํจ๋์ 100 ๋ฐฐ๋ ๋ ๋ง์ ์์ ์ถํํ๋ ๋ฐ๋ฉด, Peter๋ ๋งํ๋ค. ์ฝ 6 ๋ช
์ ์ ๊ท ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ํ์ดํ ํด๋ฆฌ๋๋ฅผ ๋ง๋ค๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์คํ์ ์ดํด๋ณด๋ฉด P-800 ํด๋์ค ์คํ์ ์ผ๋ถ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ๋์ ๋ฅ๋ ฅ๊ณผ 2018 ๋
์ ์์๋ ์๋ก์ด AMOLED ๊ฒฝ์ฌ๋ก์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ์ํ ์ ์์์ง์ ๋ํด ๋งค์ฐ ํฅ๋ถํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋์ด ๋ถ์ผ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํฝ์
์ ์๊ฐํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค.
--> OLED๋จํ ์
์ ๊ธฐ๋ํ๋ค....
Peter Kirlin
And just to add one other bit of color, the first Chinese AMOLED manufacturer to produce screens in volume is being -- those screens are being delivered to a Chinese phone manufacturer. The reticles behind that were provided by Photronics. So yes, we are gaining traction in that market.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋ ํ๋์ ์์์ ์ถ๊ฐํ๊ธฐ ๋งํ๋ฉด ์ฒ์์ผ๋ก ์ค๊ตญ AMOLED ์ ์กฐ์
์ฒด๊ฐ ๋๋์ผ๋ก ์คํฌ๋ฆฐ์ ์์ฐํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค.์ด ์คํฌ๋ฆฐ์ ์ค๊ตญ ํด๋ํฐ ์ ์กฐ์
์ฒด์ ์ธ๋๋๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ค์์๋ ๋ ํฐํด์ Photronics์์ ์ ๊ณตํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ ์์ฅ์์ ๊ฒฌ์ธ๋ ฅ์ ์ป๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค.
-->BOE๊ฐ ์์ฐ์ OLED๋ฅผ ์๊ธฐํ๋๊ตฐ์.. ์ฌ๊ธฐ์ ํฌํธ๋ก๋์ค๊ฐ ๋ฃ์๋ค๋ ๊ฑด ์์ ๋ถํฐ ์๊ธฐ...
๋ธ๋ญํฌ๋ง์คํฌ๋ ์๋ง๋ ์์ค์ค์ด ๋ฃ์์ ๊ฑฐ๋ก ์ถ์ .
Brian Chin
Okay, great. Maybe one more question and then I will hop back in the queue. But just doubling back on the gross margin headwinds you've alluded to for a few quarters here, it sounds like maybe the brunt of the gross margin headwind you will feel will occur more probably fiscal 1Q 2019. I would imagine that's a period where you are sort of in a preproduction qualification, installing the tools, and not yet getting maybe the absorption from a revenue standpoint. I know maybe it's a little preliminary, but just ballpark, are we talking about potentially a 300 basis points upwards of that kind of impact? Or is my math kind of way off there?
Peter Kirlin
Well, it is true that during the first half of 2019 is when the investments in ramping the two foundries in China will be at their -- kind of at their peak. And the revenues will not have yet materialized to offset them. So that's the right timing for the maximum drag. Again, we will do our best to make sure that the timing of that is as short-lived as it possibly can be. But it's unavoidable. And as I said earlier, a three-to five-year kind of target is $1 a share, so we -- it's a necessary aspect of the journey.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of Thomas Diffely with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.
Thomas Diffely
Yes, good morning. Quick question on the AMOLED side again. So over the last couple quarters, a lot of new tools have shipped in the industry. Just curious if you've seen an increase in business yet from the new capacity coming online? Or is that still waiting to be installed and you will see that down the road one or two quarters?
Peter Kirlin
I think it's both, Tom. We started to -- we have seen, I think, the first wave of tapeouts from nearly all of the customers and there's a decent number of them. Having said that, there's likely a quarter, maybe two, pause until they ramp their -- until they ramp their lines to yields where they will start to order more.
So we are optimistic. And of course, the largest customer, I mentioned it earlier, is bringing a new factory online post Chinese New Year. And even presently, they are I think now starting to actively look for business, given the pullback in Apple's demand. So the AMOLED market is shaping up really nicely for us, I think, starting in the next quarter and it should build from there.
๋ ๋ค ๊ฐ์์, ํฐ. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฑฐ์ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ ํ
์ดํ ์์์ ์ฒซ ๋ฒ์งธ ๋ฌผ๊ฒฐ์ ๋ณด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ทธ ์ค ์๋น์๊ฐ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ ๋งํ๋ฉด ์๋ง๋ 2 ๋ถ์ 1 ์ ๋, ์๋ง๋ 2 ๋ถ์ 1 ์ ๋๊ฐ ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ์ง์
ํ ๋๊น์ง ์ ์ ๋ฉ์ถ๊ณ ์ ์ ์ณ์ ๋ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ์ ์ฃผ๋ฌธํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ ๋๊น์ง ๊ธฐ๋ค๋ฆด ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค.
๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋๊ด์ ์
๋๋ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก , ์ด์ ์ ์ธ๊ธ ํ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ์ํด๋ฅผ ๋ง์ ์ ๊ณต์ฅ์ ์จ๋ผ์ธ์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ธ์ค๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ํ์ฌ์๋ ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์ ํ์ ์๊ตฌ๊ฐ ์ค์ด๋ค๊ณ ์์์๋ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ผ๋ก ์ฌ์
์ ์์ํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ AMOLED ์์ฅ์ ๋ค์ ๋ถ๊ธฐ์ ์์ํด์ ์ ๋ง ๋ฉ์ง๊ฒ ํ์ฑ๋๊ณ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค.
Thomas Diffely
Okay, great. And then moving over to the IC side, when you look at the memory recovery from current levels, do you think it's more going to be NAND-driven or DRAM-driven? And longer term, which of those two end markets you think is the bigger driver inside of memory for you?
Peter Kirlin
Boy, I think it's driven by both markets for us. I think that in the near term, perhaps we have a little more upside in the NAND market, given what's happening with some of our largest customers ending a long-standing JV that they have had. That generates nice business opportunity for us with one of them. But beyond that, I think it's pretty balanced.
Boy, ๋๋ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ํด ์์ชฝ ์์ฅ์ ์ํด ์ถ์ง๋๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ค. ๋จ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ JV๋ฅผ ๋๋ด๋ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ค ์ผ๋ถ์ ๋ฌด์จ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์ด๋๊ณ ์๋์ง๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ํ ๋ ๋จ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ NAND ์์ฅ์์ ์ข ๋ ํฐ ์์น์ด์์ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ ์ค ํ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ํด ์ข์ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๊ธฐํ๋ฅผ ์์ฑํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ ์ ์ชฝ์, ๋๋ ๊ทธ๊ฒ์ด ๊ฝค ๊ท ํ์ด ์กํ๋ค๋ผ๊ณ ์๊ฐํ๋ค.
Thomas Diffely
Okay. Then moving over--
Peter Kirlin
Chris, would you like to make any comments regarding the memory market?
Christopher Progler
No, I think some of the comment Peter -- starting in 2018, we are going to enter into, I would say, mass production level for two new products we qualified in 2017. One is a DRAM and one is NAND. They are both advanced nodes. So for us, I think it will be pretty balanced between the two. Overall, DRAM had a tremendous run in 2016 and 2017. I think we expect the DRAM market overall to temper some in 2018 and 2019, but that will mainly be due to capacity adds. So we do think, particularly the Tier 2 players in DRAM are starting to introduce some very competitive new products into the market. And we are well positioned with those DRAM makers. So I think it's pretty balanced. I would agree with Peter, and we have a good position in both applications.
์๋, Peter์ ์๊ฒฌ ์ค ์ผ๋ถ๋ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. 2018 ๋
๋ถํฐ 2017 ๋
์ ์๊ฒฉ์ ์ทจ๋ํ ๋ ๊ฐ์ ์ ์ ํ์ ๋ํ ๋๋ ์์ฐ ๋จ๊ณ์ ๋ค์ด๊ฐ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ํ๋๋ DRAM์ด๊ณ ๋ค๋ฅธ ํ๋๋ NAND์
๋๋ค. ๋ ๋ค ๊ณ ๊ธ ๋
ธ๋์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ ์ฌ๋ ์ฌ์ด์ ๊ท ํ์ด ์ ์กํ ์๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก DRAM์ 2016 ๋
๊ณผ 2017 ๋
์ ๋ง๋ํ ์ํฅ๋ ฅ์ ๋ฐํํ์ต๋๋ค. 2018 ๋
๊ณผ 2019 ๋
์ ์ ๋ฐ์ ์ผ๋ก DRAM ์์ฅ์ด ๋ค์ ๋ํ ๋ ๊ฒ์ผ๋ก ์์ํ์ง๋ง, ์ด๋ ์ฃผ๋ก ์ฉ๋ ์ถ๊ฐ์ ๊ธฐ์ธํฉ๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ DRAM์์ Tier 2 ํ๋ ์ด์ด๊ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฒฝ์๋ ฅ์๋ ์ ์ ํ์ ์์ฅ์ ์ถ์ํ๊ธฐ ์์ํ๋ค๊ณ ์๊ฐํฉ๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ DRAM ์ ์กฐ์ฌ๋ค๊ณผ ์ ๋ง์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋์ ๊ฝค ๊ท ํ ์กํ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์์. ๋๋ Peter์ ๋์ ํ ๊ฒ์ด๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์์ฉ ๋ถ์ผ ๋ชจ๋์์ ์ข์ ์์น๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์งํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค.
---> ๋ง์ดํฌ๋ก ์ ์๊ธฐํ๊ณ ์๊ตฐ์ ...
Thomas Diffely
Okay, thanks, Chris. And then moving over two the model itself. John, I think you talked about record business again in the joint venture in Taiwan. But I noticed that the controlling interest was actually down quarter over quarter. Just curious if you could reconcile that.
John Jordan
Yes, so the margins varied this quarter versus last quarter. Some of the adjustments we made in Q4 were in the joint venture that improved their results that we didn't get this quarter.
Peter Kirlin
Plus the joint venture is right now carrying part of the -- or not the joint -- well, the two joint ventures, right. One of them is now carrying the operating investments we are making in -- or the ramp investments we are making in China. So it had an offsetting effect. You can't see the breakout. And then of course, John also mentioned FX and the movement of the New Taiwan Dollar versus the US dollar being very unfavorable last quarter.
John Jordan
And more than half of it was in the joint venture.
Thomas Diffely
Okay, great. All right, thanks for your time today.
Operator
We have a follow-up question from the line of Patrick Ho with Stifel. Your line is open.
Brian Chin
Hi there again. Maybe one or two more quick follow-up questions. Peter, you have previously talked about having some good long-term commitments on the flat-panel side with customers in China as you ramp that capacity. I'm just curious, do you expect to receive customer deposits, perhaps from some of those customers? And could you help us -- if so, could you help us size that and maybe the timing?
Peter Kirlin
So yes, when we were in conversations with our customers regarding starting up an FPD factory in China, many of them were wanting to throw money at us for equity investments. And we told them we didn't want money; we had our own. What we wanted was business commitments. And we have plenty of those, enough really to ensure that the FPD factory once ramped will operate profitably for a three-year period. So the commitments are large and they are substantial, but they are for business. They are not for capital.
๊ทธ๋์ ์, ์ค๊ตญ์์ FPD ๊ณต์ฅ์ ๊ฐ๋ํ๋ ๊ฒ๊ณผ ๊ด๋ จํ์ฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๋ํ ํ ๋ ๋ง์ ์ด๋ค์ด ์ฃผ์ ํฌ์๋ฅผ ์ํด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ๋์ ๋ฒ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ํ์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ทธ๋ค์๊ฒ ๋์ ์ํ์ง ์๋๋ค๊ณ ๋งํ์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์์ ์ ๊ฒ์ด ์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒ์ ์ฌ์
์ฝ์์ด์์ต๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ FPD ๊ณต์ฅ์ด 3 ๋
๋์ ์์ต์ฑ์๊ฒ ์ด์ ๋ ์ ์๋๋ก ์ถฉ๋ถํ ๋ง์ ๊ฒ์ ์ค์ ๋ก ๋ณด์ ํ๊ณ ์์ต๋๋ค. ๋ฐ๋ผ์ ์ฝ์์ ํฌ๊ณ ์ค์ฉ์ ์ด์ง๋ง ์ฌ์
์์ํ ๊ฒ์
๋๋ค. ๊ทธ๋ค์ ์๋ณธ์์ํ ๊ฒ์ด ์๋๋๋ค.
Brian Chin
Got it. And then maybe a question for John. I did notice that the tax expense seems maybe high relative to what the provision has been in prior quarters. Maybe if you could flesh that out a little bit. Thanks.
John Jordan
Yes, of course, there are no taxes in the US, but it depends where our income comes from. So just the weighted average put the -- absent the reversal of the valuation allowance, our rate was at 28%, which is higher than it has been. But it's based on where the income lands.
Brian Chin
Okay. I was talking about the guide -- this April quarter guidance? The $3 million to $4 million absolute dollars.
John Jordan
Yes. It's just based on the weighted average of where the income is.
Brian Chin
Okay, great. That's it for me. Thanks.
Operator
I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Dr. Peter Kirlin for closing remarks.
Peter Kirlin
Thank you once again for joining us this morning. This year is shaping up to be a very important year for us. We believe our markets will grow and we will see improvement in financial results compared to last year. In addition, we are investing in our future by expanding our capacity and capability as we establish two new manufacturing facilities in China. We really appreciate your support and we will continue to update you as we move forward.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.