Heaven forbid someone have stake and vote with the strange notion others will get a ROI for being cherished or putting in an effort that was found rewarding by the consumer.

The problem as I see it with the ROI, is like we see with corporations, they always want a higher return. Gotta squeeze until only an onion is left. This gets exacerbated when you see the prices dwindle, as it must when the markets are saturated with so much more than there is a demand.

Also, based on the many times since joining i have heard those using their stake for themselves equated to the physical act of rape, I assume the math isn't favorable to such a thing, and would end up with lots more non payable crumbs than only the newbs/low stakeholders have to deal with.