If you want to go from Hive to HBD, it's on chain and trustless. If you want to swap to another chain there is no way to get to another without trusting a third party. I have lost thousands of dollars this way. So what can we do?

Would you like to work with me and help me develop cross chain atomic swaps with Hive and BTC? I think once we have that there is Thor/Rune that can be used to go from BTC to others. There are two methods I see we can use:

There is the Thor/Rune method that can be employed. This involves selling the idea of getting Thor nodes to join the Thor Network. I have trusted this exchange and it is a decentralized exchange. The other is to use a method designed by Mike Hearn to create two transactions where once a signature is exposed the coins are moved on both networks.

https://github.com/thorchain
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/guides/what-are-atomic-swamps