I'm gonna use "talking thumb" again someday, thanks for that. I didn't know who Schaub was until he started a podcast with Theo Von, one of the funniest comics in my opinion. I have listened to that podcast ever since because of Theo Von, but I've never thought Brendan Schaub was very funny. He is a better podcaster than a standup though. The funniest thing I've heard is that accidentally revealed Joe Rogan cheats on his wife as a guest on someone else's podcast, and then he sued to have that video taken down. Oops!!

ASEAN is like the EU of SE Asia, stands for Association Of SouthEast Asian Nations. I do sometimes use it interchangeably with Southeast Asia, but I guess that's not geographically correct.

There are parts of China further south than Vietnam, but China's not a member despite southern parts of China having a very SE Asian lifestyle and climate. Also, Hong Kong is not a member but often referred to as Southeast Asia. Papua New Guinea is not a member, and not culturally SE Asian, but geographically right there with Indonesia.

The main thing for ASEAN is trade and visa-free travel between member states, even though Singapore doesn't really grant Cambodians the freedom that Cambodia grants Singaporean tourists. I guess the EU is a lot like this, in theory members are equals, but the paperwork shows otherwise.