Yes...even though my art is more of a hobby category, because I have to work a job that annoys me so I can survive and cannot consider art full time, I read and study about all things art world and I know the "starving artist" is supposed to be the thing. LOL... either that or someone that got attached to a lucky star and makes lots of money, which of course is a small percentage.

I had looked at the artists above this morning and although I didn't quiet get Birkin at the time, I can now see what you were referring too. For Ryman, I saw right off what the relationship would be.