So first off. Thanks for the fair and IMV open-minded response.

Discord
We'll have to agree to disagree with Discord. As a crusty old IRC user, I find the Bling of Discord or any of the other IM services unnecessary. It was only recently I was tricked into signing up for an XMPP account. I suspect. Discord offers only one advantage, Speed? In terms of replies. So I'd argue that the conversation logs could be posted back against the original accusation on Hive to give a paper trail. I realise that's extra admin, but what price does one put on transparency? I'd argue it's worth every effort.

Cheetah
I really disliked Cheetah. It struck me as an entity, out of control, stalking the blockchain. I'm not sure, saying, "But I never started it; I just joined along the way!" is an argument. You were part of the Cheetah project, so I have to repeat what I said: "How does changing one's coat change one's behaviour"?

Downvotes
Now that we can both agree on. However, it would help if you kept in mind that both, in this instance, are mutually connected; it's almost a chicken and egg situation. I suspect the only way to break that cycle is to no longer have Hivewatchers/Spaminator downvote, but that would then make them toothless, and this is the crux of the problem for Hive as a whole Money if there weren't any money involved, nobody would give a tinker's fart. However, that's not strictly true, as you'll always find a group willing to bitch at just about anything!

STEEM
So I was fortunate enough not to have any funds taken on STEEM, but that was then, and this is now. Supposedly we have a better world on Hive, and I'm not really interested in attempts to tailor what Justin and Ned did to cover up any cracks or inconsistencies that appear on Hive.

I can't make up my mind if there are a lot of naive people on Hive or a boatload of clever people that have managed to sell the idea that all the bad people waved us all off at the STEEM quayside and only the good people disembarked at the promised land of Hive. That's insane! Pretty much everyone moved to Hive, good and bad. Some retain accounts on STEEM. Some have one foot in STEEM and one in HIVE. I would say that things are better on Hive, but that doesn't mean we can let our guard down and give up on making improvements across the board, including Hivewatchers or Spaminator if enough people think it's warranted.

Let me be crystal clear. I'm not on anybody's side other than my own, but I can't stand by and say nothing when I see clearly wrong things, even if a group of individuals think it's right.