Yeah, clarification well taken and that is pretty much the distinction I was trying to draw already - I had started them off with one PC each under their control and we have run a few sessions and had a ton of fun. But in their own fantasy play they like to have whole teams of heros and bad guys and what not and I was thinking about "wargame" with them as meaning they each control a whole team instead of a single PC. Awesome thanks so much for this, going to look into these :) I will of course end up keeping track of most of the rules myself anyway, but they do enjoy some dice rolling mechanics that I have introduced them to and if some of these rules above have fun but simple mechanics it might be exactly what I was looking for.