RE: RE: SPS Poll - Should we alter the rental floor for season rentals?
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RE: SPS Poll - Should we alter the rental floor for season rentals?

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bravetofu@bravetofu clayboyn@clayboyn - as I have expressed many times in many places let me remind everyone here, in this reply (without having to go read my thesis... but you should lol...

Tofu, I have a massive amount of respect for you, your thoughts, posts and everything you do for the ecosystem in general... but if I may offer a slightly different perspective:

I always believe Markets should Market... but there is one issue not being addressed here about the "Floor"...

We have addressed:

Listing Fees
Bots
ROI
Accessibility
Costs

What we have not addressed... Bots.

Now... before you look at this screen and think "oh man, dingus has lost it..." I want you, I want everyone to consider this point:

We thought about Bots botting in the context of Reward Extraction... but the principle of "Let the Markets Market" CANNOT COEXIST with "Bots botting"... Because Markets won't Market with Bots involved - at all.

Bots will do it faster/better/cheaper and for less return than a Human.

THAT is why we need a "Floor" and that "Floor" should match the "List" in order to generate any decent ROI... which rewards the OWNER... by lowering the Floor, we reward the RENTER (and bots).

I hate and I mean - I am seething... to see this proposal 3 days after waiting 8 months for them to implement my PASSED proposal... it's like a kick in the balls.

Never, EVER change more than one variable at a time... doing this now, right on the heels of the other proposal is INSANITY to me.

However, in that short time frame Rental Prices have JUMPED in response to the .1 -> 1 DEC change... and it is rewarding ownership not rentership again... if we allow .1 DEC/Day or 1 DEC/Season Rentals... that will be a death knell to any hope of Card Value...

These haven't seen 10 DEC/Day Rental Prices in YEARS...

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Yet... here we are... the 1 DEC Floor is working and unfortunately by going to Season Only Rentals... to use Bulldogs argument... it might get a little pricey to "Rent for Bronze".

But again the math doesn't really check out... 50 Playables at 1 DEC/Day = 50 DEC/Day * 14 = 700 DEC for Two Weeks... Which equates to $.50 USD for Two Weeks...

So the "New Player Can't Afford It" narrative doesn't really apply...

I would normally agree with you about markets and lowest floor possible... but Bots are not out there irl chasing the market to zero...

I encourage you both to look into the Rental Prices on CL Legendaries and CL Reward Legendaries... they haven't been this high in so long... yes, cheap rentals will expire and hit the market... but are sucked up super fast... look at the Peakmonster Data:

Playables are seeing 20% ROI again the range from Low-High is spreading...

Ngl... Ifrit Rising... is still absolute trash and seeing like 1.1 DEC/Day loooooooooooooooooooooooool

Anyways, I hope this offers some new perspective and insights.

Regardless of how you vote... how anyone votes... I respect it as their choice, even if I disagree with it.