I lot of people experience things like this. Where, what they experience is all pain, and the people "trying to help them" are only hurting them.

So, there is a spot, where you are out of your body, but not disconnected from this world. And at that place, all the pain flows into you without the filter/buffer of your body.

Many people have pondered if that space is Hell.

The huge problem is there are very few entities that can help you in that in between spot.

Proof is not needed. When you have experienced, no proof is necessary. And, on that side, you can see truth. Its like an extra layer of reality. You KNOW this is true.

And on the other side, anything we do on earth is not true, and there will never be proof.

What we think of as repeatable right now, is just the base state of this world, and that can be moved. Yes, we can change the state so that bombs will not explode. Imagine adding this layer to "science"

For those who have been, no proof is needed, for those who haven't, no proof is sufficient.

In the future, we will redefine "proof". We will redefine most of the terms we use in science.

After that, it will be easier to talk about all of this stuff.

BTW, in India and such places, reincarnation is just a given. Over there, instead of needing proof of, you will be asked for proof against.

Like, the Dalai Lama reincarnates "perfectly". And there is a ceremony, where at 5 yo he takes back on the mantle.

And, if you are invited to attend, you will see a 5 yo boy start discussing things that are way too high level for a 5 yo. AND! he will continue discussions he was having just before he died. Like a 5 yo saying, "Yo, Dan, how did that fishing trip go (the one you were planning to take 5 years ago) did your (name brand) fishing pole ole' trusty work?

He has been tested many times, and always passes. But, we here in the west still think it is some kind of hocus pocus.

And i really dislike Christianity for believing that "punishment" is do to God seeing you unfavorably.