i can only discourage you all one at a time...and i wont be the only one. When you finally see that they are in the wrong because they are not willing to negotiate with ANYONE we will make moves on one decelerator at a time. Heck remove the Curangle and move it to OCDB, they are more reasonable to deal with. Not to worry though, i have been fair enough that they will see that i have made lots of changes so it should not be an issue. I'm just giving you a heads up. The amount of SP you delegated is irrelevant to me, i want to test them all.