Haven.t been on Hive for a while (your post says a month) thus being late to reply.
My point is not to convince anyone but to try motivate them to take a look at more info so it would be clearer what is really happening and how we came to this point.
When you say they do what they have to, same can be said for Russia: someone was terrorizing R people in Donbas area for 8 years, neoNazis ruled there and they did what they had to. Also, same with Puting doing whatever he wants - isn.t that exactly what US has been doing since WWII? Why then having different criteria for others? I can understand that someone might fear or prefer US way of life but that is not an argument. So, if you say you are pro US and want them to rule the world bcs you like them, I will accept that as a part of your personality, but if you have different criteria for same behavior, will think of you as ignorant of hypocrite or whatever not good. That is the point. Personal characteristics cannot be argument for people who are about to discuss on the level of critical thinking. Point is to distinguish between personal feelings and facts which many people cannot do and that is why are so easy to manipulate. And who wants facts about this war should dig much deeper, in the time before Maidan and what US gov was doing and saying then. Also, there are so many videos from different sources but European "democracy" banned everything from Internet; and why is that? so no one can see the other side of the story. At this point, whole Europe is behaving exactly like one who they are fighting with...not to mention that, while Russian cats are banned from competitions, gas is still flowing...