If you want to talk a little bit about it I can on Discord.
Thanks for the offer but my preference is for a transparent space in this instance – more comfortable doing this here. Besides, it is only just (IMO) for the dialogue to continue here, for all to see.
I do not know what transpired in the Discord servers at the time of which you speak as different versions have been presented by both parties (you and LZ). I think this is an 'unfinished' convo between you guys. LZ's hands are kinda tied atm although he still managed to get a message through to you from behind bars. This message, AFAIK, has remained unanswered by you.
The second someone violates the trust of one of my friends that's it for me. I don't give a second chance when someone breaks the rules in my Discord server...
If LZ simply had not taken screenshots of private sensitive conversations, I wouldn't have a problem with LZ(aside from the tag spam which I asked him to untag me as it's too much for me). Soon as someone posts private convos, that means at some point there is potential for them to do the same of You, Your Group, Your friends, ETC. All to prove a point, which burns everyone. That's why I gave LZ the boot from our Discord only, no boot from anywhere else.
He did cause conflict in our group and caused our group to lose 12k hp that was delegated to us, whether by naivety or in purpose. I dont know why you want to insert yourself into a situation from last week that is over with.
I continue to observe emotive language used by you to describe the situation, also the polemics of exclusion and ostracism. Use different words and you may as well be talking about excluding the 'dirty unvaxxed' from society, the energy feels very similar!
I may appear slow to understand this, but as far as I can see LZ did no more than disrespect Kenny in a manner which, I think LZ now acknowledges (to see if you agree or not you could read my convo with him linked in my opening comment). KK - the one on whose behalf the outrage has been expressed - himself seems to have got over his initial reaction somewhat and has been tacitly endorsing LZ through use of (1) his research (2) positive words to describe LZ's research. There was no doxxing of KK. There was no private info divulged. True, some of KK's private attitudes and opinions might've been revealed and that always feels uncomfortable. I agree that the default starting point for a DM is that it be kept private unless mutually agreed otherwise (the point at which LZ 'disrespected' KK). Also true that in the past I once saw LZ post screenshots of a convo with Azircon, but that was from a public Discord server and thus, IMO, very different from a DM. I have seen no confirmation of anything more than that and what you claim to be the case has not been demonstrated AFAIK.
Yet you indicate that there is more and are painting him as a danger to all and sundry, including me! I wonder why you are so willing to jump onto the let's-kick-the-shit-outa-LZ-while-he's-down bandwagon.
You accuse him of slander, he responds. His response implicitly accuses you of pretty much the same and there is silence. See how it looks?
Perhaps you simply don't like him. Perhaps he's ruffled feathers in the past. Perhaps he hasn't let go of shit you'd rather keep outa sight.
Perhaps you feel he's hurting your wallet. You've mentioned this, so I guess it's a factor. You blame him for causing conflict and the loss of a 12k delegation. To my sight it seems as if this monetary factor may weigh in heavier than other (higher?) principles which a choice of name such as yours might suggest.
But you haven't shown me anything that tells me I'm wrong in what I think of him (see opening comment).
Much is revealed about folk over time. The 1s and 0s on this CHAIN tell many a tale of personal psychological makeup beneath the surface expression. I often find the reading of that kind of code to be more reliable than the combination of words presented in a comment.
Might you just be 'wrong' about him; might you have your own agenda; might you have simply given into the temptation to gratify old grudges against someone who asks too many awkward questions.....I wonder!
All to prove a point, which burns everyone.
Depends on the point being demonstrated/proven. Depends what subgroup 'everyone' belongs to, for it cannot be as completely inclusive as 'everyone' when even one person has been excluded. Depends what you mean by 'burn'. AFAIC, what burns in a pursuit of Truth, is falsehood! How else to discover what IS without first discarding what ISN'T? True for me just as much as it is for LZ and YOU too!
I dont know why you want to insert yourself into a situation from last week that is over with.
In other words why am I writing here? Great question and I think the answer can be found in my comments dotted around this backwater of a post. Also as I mentioned, my response wanted to come out. I also do not think this is over and done with by any means, and although I don't feel like pushing it much further, there are more discussion points which could be raised. I've seen you mention the need to take sides in comments on the current downvote/censorship debate. Fine, but that's not me. I place my ideological hat where it calls to me from the inside. I choose to neither antagonise, nor to appease. I am simply learning to speak my Truth as I go along. I'm no better, no worse; not above nor below; not more nor less, than you or anyone.....BUT.....'insert myself'??....frankly, it looks a little like you are questioning my presence here (and implying it is not required as the situation is 'over') in order perhaps to avoid questions that have remained unanswered. On this page it looks like you may be more comfortable with mud-slinging than cleaning up.
I like and respect LZ. I have never had live (off-chain) communication with him and you will find that the blockchain has registered only a few comments between us over time. This ain't even really about him although he may be the vehicle through which stuff comes to the surface for reflection, discussion and personal/group action.
And so it seems to me that you wouldn't want the LZs of the world hanging around the new 'Free Speech' zone asking awkward questions. Why didn't you say something to him at the time it was bothering you? Why use this opportunity to bring it up? You see, the 'Control System' doesn't micro-manage, doesn't need to! All it has to do is offer trinkets - the promise of 'power' - and by biting, folk just do its dirty work for it, willingly and voluntarily even if not fully consciously.
THAT is what I have been reading in between the 0s and 1s.
I'm not intending to sound aggressive and I have what I think is an answer from your side to the question I had posed. I hope I have left enough space in the obscure and whacky wording of this comment for you to peacefully bow out if you wish, whilst at the same time giving anyone who is interested (and not fully put off by initial appearances) an opportunity for a more balanced view of the LZs of this world, including the POWERFUL work that they do which is mostly unappreciated in the short-term flurry of emotional reactivity by those whose feathers have been ruffled!
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