First off TF, I'll say that a lot of what you have expressed in the past (posts and comments) has resonated with me. I have appreciated stuff you have stood up for!

Here it is rather different however! This response has been cooking within me for days and won't let me go until out. The impression the casual reader will get from reading some of your comments on this post paint a picture of Logiczombie that I do not recognise. LZ actually responded to what you wrote above and in case you didn't clock it (coz you didn't wanna be tagged), I'm copying it in below my text.

Before I go there however, I'd like to pose a question. This question is posed to those I identify as the 'founders' (? :) of the proposed (L2 on Hive, or external) solution/community/platform: yourself, @ura-soul and @v4vapid.

Question:
In the minds of you three founders, is this proposed 'space' a space in which the likes of LZ, and @logiczombie in particular, would be welcomed (I'm not using 'allowed', coz that word smacks to me of oldStyle thinking)?

Now onto the Logic Zombie himself:

I agree that there was disrespect shown towards @kennyskitchen through his action of making public their DM chat. I have had a long conversation with him on the matter.

I also commented on LZ's
"seeking to use offensively, the same or similar kinds of weapons that have been used extensively against you (LZ) and others (targeting a BIG downvoting account). In other words, looking for a solution in the same level of consciousness in which the problem itself arose - can't be done IMO and it just extends the zone of negativity in which all hell can break loose."

Over time (2+ years?) I have observed what I believe to be the following in LZ:

• reasonableness: if you don't wanna be tagged, ask; if you wonder about why he's doing something, ask. His responses are reasonable
• lack of ad-hominem argumentation in his style; 'polite' might be the word, as well as 'respectful'
• a dogged pursuit of what LZ views as 'Truth', including an unwillingness to be put off by what may be half-truths or hidden agendas. Cannot be bribed, difficult to fob-off
• a willingness to challenge any power, at seemingly any cost. This ALSO includes those who might (in polarised perception) be considered allies (Vapid? KK?) or at least kindred spirits
• a level of integrity which has not, in my assessment, been punctured even in these turbulent BLOCK times!
• research: a willingness and ability to dive DEEP; the 'quality' of this pudding can be seen in, eg. KK's eating!

So what's the fuss and why am I banging on drums in this backstreet of Hive which even be-jewelled gangsters no longer visit, for the action has moved on to KK and Ura street? _{On a gentle side note at KK and Ura: you guys are holding your own WELL. I just wanna point out how any expression of self-gratification whatsoever (eg Ura when you recently said 'fuck' in an angry tone) will not only provoke a disproportionate backlash, but will also be used in the polemics to discredit you and to further reshape the narrative. If we are really 'all in this together' at some HIGH level, then the energy of 'taking sides' runs counter to that. Just pointing out the obvious, no intention to lecture or suchlike.}

But groups of likeminds are useful tools and so we swing back again to the proposed solution and my question to you guys about LZ.

I'd want the likes of LZ to be around in this space, for they have sharp eyes and are not out to pump their reps or wallets - clearly, else they wouldn't do what they do! If that sharp vision challenges me/my choices or expression of course it's gona feel uncomfy at first reading, for my egomind would kick and scream and protest. When calmer, I could examine what the 'accusation' was and then I'd most likely see that my annoyance might've come more from being asked and reasked the same thing from multiple angles...and that there may be something I am covering up, perhaps even from myself...and... here's the catch if I can catch it - the LZs are NOT responsible for how I feel if I am truly sovereign and free.

If upon examination of the 'LZ challenge', I don't find it to have substance, I would feel comfortable saying that to the LZs of the world and would also have a damn good expectation that IF there is substance in what I convey, that it WOULD be acknowledged. There might be some satisfaction in this (of listening and being heard) as well as some expansion (the possibility of synthesis and positive movement).

IMHO, communication with the LZs of the world WORKS.

Right, but what if LZ IS behaving in the manner that you, TF state? Is he really? Shall I pick apart what seems to be clear indications of seeking emotional gratification for perceived past wrongs (a case can be made for calling this blaming someone else for your hurt ie. for how you feel ie. abdicating self-responsibility ie. playing the 'victim') on YOUR part? These 'wrongs' have been challenged by LZ (his reply below) and AFAIK, there has been no response. You mention the word 'hurt', that is an emotional word - the feelings valid and understandable - but I see projection when I read something like "Causing conflict with me and Kenny".

I am NOT demanding ANYTHING from you TF! I have chosen to express myself with explicit respect towards you 🙏......HOWEVER, as stated, this comment is something I need to get off my chest and I am combining it with asking a burning question on a matter that I am curious about, but which is also of great significance to me and the way I perceive things. I'll therefore repeat the question:

V4vapid, Ura-soul and Truthforce: you are proposing a 'solution' ie a new 'digital space'. Would the likes of Logiczombie be welcome?

Thanks
Barge

Below is LZ's reply to you in case you missed it:

reply to - @ truthforce (who doesn't want to be tagged)

saying you have the same attitude as acidyo and azircon is NOT slander
an attitude is not a crime
an attitude is not a belief system
you ARE being reactive and blaming me for kenny's reaction
kenny is blaming you for what i did
do you see how this is ridiculous ?

we are completely independent actors

we are not the same person

you are not responsible for my actions

i am not responsible for your actions

if you had a "problem" with what i was posting in informationwar -

YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING
i'm not a mind-reader

and you claim that "i only posted about myself" - please provide screenshots

i never talk about myself personally unless someone asks me a direct question

i always post what i am interested in

and your claim that i was "spamming" ALL your informationwar subscribers is verifiably FALSE

i sent friend requests to maybe five people who i recognized

and when maybe two people accepted the friend request - i sent them stuff

only one person asked me to stop sending stuff and i never bothered them again

YOU CAN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW "UNWRITTEN RULES"
AND - as far as creating a "target list" - my subscribers are already public knowledge and the people who upvoted this post are already public knowledge - so - i'm not sure what your point is

@-acidyo and @-azircon have already targeted you

their vendetta was not caused by me - i do not control them

AND - perhaps you and kenny never said the exact words - "you better respect me because i control a big curation trail"

you and kenny certainly act like you can make demands on me - as if i "owe" you something

which is pretty much what @-usainvote said - "how ungrateful"

which is pretty much what kenny said to @-tonysayers33