I guess our world views are shaped by experience. Maybe that's why I disagree with you. When I read Lord of the Flies I recognized Jack and Roger. I knew these boys. This to me is the natural order. This to me is society without external controls.

I believe government is corrupt and abusive and confiscatory. But Roger is out there. And so is Jack. How do I know? I have met them :)) I have lived with them.

Surely, when I pass the poor box, I don't take a penny. Most people I know would not. But Roger and Jack...if no one is looking they will throw that box to the ground and take everything.

This is what my life experience has taught me.

I need them, Roger and Jack, to fear government. It's the only way I know to control them.

So sorry to disagree...