A proposed solution to the down vote issue

May 2nd, 2021

Down Vote Solution???

There has been a lot of talk lately about the down vote and very few solutions being put forth other than to do away with down votes.

Down voting is an option and there are many reasons to use a down vote. On hive.blog here is what the pop-up says:

Pretty easy to read, and to understand.

hive blog down vote pop-up

I believe the hive.blog front end should keep the down vote button especially since down votes are mentioned as part of the Hive Block Chain.

Other front ends such as Leofinance, proofofbrain, peakd, ecency and others have the option to display the down vote arrow or not. I would like to see PeakD remove the down vote button. They have no token to protect. Any front end with no token to protect I feel personally should remove the down vote button. It is an option to display it or not.

Those that do have a token to protect should consider carefully if they want the down vote button available or not. Not everyone needs to have the button available on second layer application. They can provide the button to trusted individuals only to help protect their token against the reason in the down vote pop-up.

Here is my proposed down vote pop-up changes for hive.blog:

proposed down vote pop-up

If a person is on an alternative front end from hive.blog to down vote a post they should be required to go to hive.blog and use them for the down vote. I believe this would decrease the amount of bot activity on the other front ends.

Select a check box for the reason for the down vote. Simple one extra click before hitting the submit button. A warning is on the pop-up that a comment is going to be entered as to why the post was down voted.

That comment will not be able to be deleted by the down voter. It will be there always and forever even if later the down vote is removed. The down voter will not be able to up vote this comment, nor will any other account be able to up vote the comment, the up vote arrow will simply not be there. (This may cause the developers to create a second class of comment, but I believe it could be done).

People will be able to down vote the comment however, so if they felt the person down voting was being malicious then they will feel the power of the people.


What else happens

If the disagreement on rewards button is selected then the first three to five curators rewards are burned sent to @null up to the amount the post was down voted.


On the first image you can see who up voted the post. @smooth decided to remove 35.515 hive, and @sunsetjesus chose to remove an additional $0.004 for a total removal of 35.519 in rewards.

This would result in @xeldal receiving no curation reward, @gringalicious would also receive no curation reward, and @stoodkev would only receive 4.353 in curation reward. The voters could suffer reputation damage along with the reward removal.

The amount of reward slated to the author would be untouched only the curation rewards would be affected, and their reputation would be untouched.


If the Fraud or plagiarism box is chosen then the amount of reward would be removed from both the author and the curators, and the author could suffer reputation damage. To often people down vote for these reasons but never state so. With this system I would hope people would state clearly and provide a link to show the evidence of the rightness of the down vote. This may help prevent people piling on down votes on the original down voter in the automated comment.


Hate speech or trolling. This will no doubt be the most difficult to control. All the down vote power reputation and reward loss should go on the original poster of the content. Once again if the down voter wishes to they should clearly point out what was hate speech and or trolling when down voting this may prevent others from piling on the auto comment and down voting them.


Miscategorized content or spam. All loss of rewards and reputation should be borne out by the poster. If a person is doing a category search for cats of hive, they do not want to keep finding a bunch of post about jackasses.


One solution, one that will likely never be implemented, one that has been brought up before over on steem also.

I have seen a lot of complaints and the only solutions being offered are to not support Hive and go elsewhere, or to do away with the down vote completely. I do not see those as a solution to the problem that is avoiding the problem.

Blurt has no down votes, so why are they not a super thriving chain?

HF 25 will be done hopefully in mid June, perhaps HF 26 we can look for suitable solutions to the down vote issues on Hive.

Either a person is in control of their vote or they are not. I myself choose not to issue very many down votes, I think maybe three for plagiarism.

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