I'm experimenting with posting some random bits of my genealogy research here with the goal of eventually creating a linked family tree on Hive. You can see the index here. Ellen FitzHerbert goes back to about 1245 which is pretty far. This individual, like most you'll find this far back, has some relation to royalty. According to the relationship calculator in Gramps, she is my twenty-second Great Grandaunt. So my Great Grandaunt with 22 more "greats" in front of it. There isn't a whole lot of info on her that I have found beyond the basic ancestor, descendant and date information. One of the things to watch out for when creating your family tree is importing too much data. How can you have too much? Well, one of my approaches to creating my family tree was to take one branch as far back as I could, at the time using the World Connect site (which has such been bought and decommissioned by Ancestry). It was a site in which people uploaded their family tree info. Some of them let you download full or partial gedcoms. A gedcom is just a data file in a standard format understood by most genealogy software. While I would manually trace my direct line back, for descendants of my direct line's siblings (cousin relationships) I would often download these gedcom files and automatically import them. The problem is that if you go back far enough, you are bound to be related to someone in multiple ways. This leads to duplicates as descendants of one individual may share descendants from another individual in your family tree. I have had lots of duplicates that I am discovering lately. My current strategy lately has just to been to pick a random name from the tree and see what more I can find. Sometimes I find duplicates and those duplicates may have duplicate descendants or ancestors, etc. Sometimes one duplicate line will have individuals or other info that the other does not. This makes removing the duplicates without losing data a tedious process. Every time I creep close to the 100,000 individual mark in my family tree I seem to find a batch of duplicates which often involves deleting a dozen or several dozen individuals. I'll get there eventually. I use GenoPro to maintain my family tree but I use other programs to generate reports/web pages. GenoPro will do this also but I don't like the format of its reports. Gramps is open source software for Windows, Linux and MacOS that I have been using to generate static HTML reports and is what the info you see below is based on. I also use its relationship calculator functionality as noted above. I've also been exploring GedSite, a program that takes a gedcom file and converts it into html, and The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding which is web based and requires a setup with a web server, PHP and mySQL. Mostly I've been playing around with TNG which is excellent but I'll get back to GedSite eventually. I actually like TNG enough that I have contemplated just using that as my only reporting software. However, there are a couple of reasons why I probably won't. First, it's "closed source" (though by its nature you can of course see and modify the source) commercial software whereas gramps is open source. Also, Gramps generates pure HTML/Javascript so that it is easy to copy and move around whereas TNG relies on having a database and webserver. While I have been using GenoPro and Gramps for many years, I've only started using TNG and GedSite within the last year. The chart at the top is an ancestry chart out to four generations from Gramps. The chart at the bottom is the same but from TNG. The index of all individuals I have posted so far here.

FitzHerbert, Ellen

Birth Name	FitzHerbert, Ellen
Gender	female
Age at Death	unknown

Events

Event	Date	Place	Sources
Birth	about 1245	Norbury, Derbyshire, England	1a
			1a
Death

Parents

Relation to main person	Name	Birth date	Death date
Father	FitzHerbert, William Lord of Norbury	about 1220	after 1274
Mother	, Edeka	about 1222
Brother	FitzHerbert, Henry Lord of Norbury	about 1240	after 1291-04-24
	FitzHerbert, Ellen	about 1245

Families

Family of Ridware, Walter and FitzHerbert, Ellen

Married

Husband

Ridware, Walter ( * about 1240 + Deceased )

Event	Date	Place	Description	Sources
Marriage			Religious Marriage	2a
				2a

Children

Name	Birth Date	Death Date
Ridware, Thomas De	about 1270	after 1325

Pedigree

FitzHerbert, William Lord of Norbury
1. , Edeka
  1. FitzHerbert, Henry Lord of Norbury
  2. FitzHerbert, Ellen
    1. Ridware, Walter
      1. Ridware, Thomas De

Ancestors

FitzHerbert, Ellen
*about 1245
+...

FitzHerbert, William Lord of Norbury
*about 1220
+after 1274

FitzHerbert, John
*about 1185
+after 1228

FitzHerbert, William
*1160
+...

De Stretton, Agnes
*1162
+...

de Grendon, Emmeline
*about 1196
+after 1228-06-24

de Grendon, William
*about 1160
+...

, Ermentrude
*about 1170
+...

, Edeka
*about 1222
+...

Source References

Robin Lux: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3152034&id=I088641&style=TABLE TREE
1. - Source text:
    
    ID: I088641
    Name: William FITZHERBERT 1 2 3
    Sex: M
    Title: Lord Of Norbury, Sir
    Birth: ABT 1220 in Norbury, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England
    Death: AFT 1274 4
    IDNO: ems
    Change Date: 12 JAN 2004
    Note:
    Name Suffix: Lord Of Norbury, Sir
    Sir William FitzHerbert, of Norbury; Sheriff of Notts and Derbys 1272-74; married 1st ?; married 2nd ? and by her hadtwo daughters (Helen, married Walter de Ridware, of Staffs, and had issue; Jane); by his 1st wife he had [Sir Henry], with two younger sons (William, ancestor of the FitzHerberts of Somersal Herbert, Derbys (who died out in the male line 1803, following which their representation was continued by the Jacsons of Bebington, Cheshire, into whom a FitzHerbert heiress married) and the FitzHerbertBaronets; Richard, ancestor of the FitzHerberts of Twycross, Leics). [Burke'sPeerage, p. 2683]
    ------------------------------------
    Sir William FitzHerbert, of Norbury, Derbys; living temp. Henry III. [Burke's Peerage, p. 1066]
    The ancestry extends through a son William to FitzHerberts of Tissington, eventually becoming Baronets.
    
    Father: John FITZHERBERT b: ABT 1185 in Norbury, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England
    Mother: Emmeline De GRENDON b: ABT 1196 in Ockbrook, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England
    Marriage 1 Edeka (Nmn-William 12200 FITZHERBERT b: ABT 1222 in England
    Married: in 1st Wife 3
    Children
    Henry FITZHERBERT b: ABT 1240 in Norbury, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England
    Ellen FITZHERBERT b: ABT 1245 in Norbury, Derbyshire, England
    Sources:
    Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999
    Note: ABBR Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
    Page: 1066, 2683
    Title: GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
    Author: Not Given
    Note: ABBR GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
    Note: Not Supplied
    Text: 25 OCT 2003
    Title: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
    Note: ABBR GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
    Page: 55
    Text: 3 JAN 2004
    Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999
    Note: ABBR Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
    Page: 2683
  - Citation:
    e-mail: Ravens444@juno.com
GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
1. - Page: 55

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