omg Dave I don't know how you do it man, really. alex constantly interrupts you and changes the subject every time you brought up another point. yeah i know, he cannot come out and say he is a flat earther though because he would lose some of his audience, but i bet at this point alex would get a lot more followers for awhile if he at least admitted that nasa has lied even once. if someone lies to you even once, you know that person has probably lied about other things and trust is broken forever. regardless, Dave it was great to see you keep your cool through that even though alex called you guys a bunch of names too. typical cognitive dissonance. smack someone with valid points that obliterates their aged beliefs and it can be painful for some.