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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
And you believe it blindly. Did you know that all tyrants say their population love them? Specifically those that suppress freedom of expression. In Russia you can't even call this as war by fear of
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
That is why you don't care about morality. If Putin conquer a neighboring country through war, it will count as a great achievement if it improves Russias economy. If 1 million dies, it is irrelevant.
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
But would vote for Putin.
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
Individuals are dangerous and have their own ambitions. If you give much power to a politician, he will use it against morals in the name or his own desires, worldviews and principles. And whoever disagrees
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
I am not naive enouth to believe it. No matter how "good" a politician thinks he is, the alternation of power is a core principle of democracy, specifically when the one in power poisons enemies.
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
No matter how "good" and "popular" is a politician, don't you think it is dangerous and suspitious to allow such "god on earth" politicians to stay so much time in power?
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
Do you believe it to be democratic for the same politician to rule a country for more than 20 years? Don"t you think it to be suspicious, to say the least? Do you believe Russians have the right to
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2y
RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
Do you believe the elections are fair in Russia? Do you believe Putin never poisoned political rivals?
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2y
RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
Do you believe Putin wants to destroy Ukraine?
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
But if you are not a moral nihilist or relativist, what is your objective basis for goodness? It is time to stop pretending you are a moralist, be courageous and assume once and for all that you are nihilist.
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
So why you said you believe in morality? Are you a nihilist that believes that the only thing tha matters and works in this world is power and violence? And all the rest is dospensable?
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2y
RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
One evil does not justify the other. Reality is not a competition between who is the least evil.
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
I believe in doplomacy, logic, reason, morality and goodwill. You believe in power an brute force, that is why in your mind killing one million is worthwhile. If you believe in goodness and morality you
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
So you killed almost one million people to stop the bloodshed? Do you believe Putin to be moral?
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
That is right, an aggression is only morally justified to stop an immediate aggression. Otherwise goodness demands diplomacy, logic and reason, never violence. Do you believe Putin is the moral agressor?
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
Goodness fights evil. Do you believe in goodness and morals, or only power?
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RE: Ecency waves Mar 03
They consider Putin a democrat?
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RE: Trump is a covert KGB agent, there is no other explanation for what happened ...
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RE: Trump is a covert KGB agent, there is no other explanation for what happened ...
This is our main difference here. You deeply know you don't care about morality, while my whole arguments revolve around it. To me this is a moral issue, more than anything else.
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RE: Trump is a covert KGB agent, there is no other explanation for what happened ...
It is not about faith, it is all about morals. Morality is not a matter of personal faith, unless you are a moral nihilist, which I believe you are.
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